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jordan
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 Posted - 09/14/2008 : 12:19:02
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Someone please help me understand? cfabbot, in the last post, said he shot a 12, in a tournament, and could only record a 7? I understand this reasoning in a league play, but everytime you play, even a USGA tournament? I played in a USGA tournament and got my butt kicked. This one guy in my foursome had an 8 on a hole and then came in at 2 over par for the front nine? I did not understand why, but he must have just taken what his handicap allowed, a bogey? How fair is that? I shot great for myself that day on a tough course, and he makes top 5 and goes on to the finals? Is this why so many players I see have a low handicap, yet never shoot near it? I was told that "those" guys just don't put in the bad scores, just the good ones? I mean you are what you are? I have worked my ass off to lower my handicap, and since a Graves school, I have lowered it from a 24 to a 17. I can get lower if I just don't record blowup holes, but is that correct? I know in league play it is meant to stop a guy from intentionally having a bad hole he is loosing, to pad his handicap. What is the offical rule? I understand it to be, that if you shot say a 12, you record that on your card for that day, whatever you are playing. I you loose that tournament, or match, too bad. Then when you record that number in for your handicap, you adjust it according to your current handicap? ANYBODY know if this is correct? Thanks, frustrated Matt
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captski
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Posted - 09/14/2008 : 13:48:43
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| Did this guy have some birdies or an eagle during the rest of his front nine? If this guy did not take an 8 on that hole, in a USGA tourney; he should have been disqualified. |
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jordan
USA
180 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2008 : 18:33:36
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| No, he did not. My friend and myself did not know this until hours later when we saw his score? very frustrating. |
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bobperry22
USA
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Posted - 09/14/2008 : 19:41:40
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When posting scores to GHIN you are suppose to "adjust" your scores based on your handicap (ex: some handicaps are not allowed to post more than a bogey, some no more than a double, etc.) In a tournament, however, every stroke should be counted - unless a best ball or some competition where only low man is counted on each hole.
That guy should have taken the 8 for the tourney. When posting the round to his GHIN handicap, he THEN could have adjusted the score to show the 7. He should have been disqualified for signing an incorrect card. |
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captski
97 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2008 : 19:50:17
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| What kind of tourney was this? Take the information to whomever was putting on the tourney and get their explanation. Maybe this person who put down the wrong score on that par 5 was ignorant to the rules. Was this a tourney where you subtracted your handicap at the end of the round to see who went on to the finals? This person may have fudged his score on that hole....especially if he was keeping his own score. |
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jordan
USA
180 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2008 : 20:31:41
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| It was a par 4!!!!! It is A USGA tournament in which they play at I think 10 courses, in which money is won at the end. The top 5 in each get to go to a final in Groton. It has a gross and net winner. The USGA adjusts your score after they recieve your card. His gross was the score in question. He had his friend keep his card. I think he was a 5 handicap, definately single digits. He had won a previous event that I did not participate in. Crazy stuff. Matt |
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captski
97 Posts |
Posted - 09/15/2008 : 10:29:10
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| I would inform the chairman of the tournament; if your friend was also playing with you, and can verify his score; it's not too late to help the person who should have been in 5th place. |
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arush
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Posted - 09/16/2008 : 13:35:40
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In the tournaments and league I play, all scores must be verified by both the golfer and another person in the foursome. Normally, the two golfers who verify each others score are identified on the first tee. After each hole the golfer announces their score and the person verifying must agree. At the end of the round each score card must have two signatures.
Perhaps your league or the tournament chairman ought to adopt what I thought was a universal system.
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rustyredcab
USA
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Posted - 09/16/2008 : 17:31:57
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The guy was wrong about the difference between what he shot and what he can record. You shoot what you shoot unless there are special rules (I play in a lot of groups that allow for a max score of 5 over or double par in order to keep pace and stop a guy from slitting his wrists. These are not real tournaments.
My former boss was fond of sharing his story about the two-some member event at Medinah. It was a multi-day total-ball event with two member teams. His buddy was the low handicap guy as they arrived at 17 (before the holes were re-routed so what today is 13). It was the last day and they were leading by two strokes. The low-handicap guy hit his first tee shot into the water. And the second, and third, and fourth and fifth... No relief, no drop area, and no max score. This 5 handicap took a 13 on the par three for a team total of 17. Even then, when he recorded that round for handicap purposes, he had to post according to the equitable stoke play rule and take a 5. If his handicap was 10-19 he would take a 7 and if it was 20 or more he would take an 8. |
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golfer_dude
USA
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Posted - 09/16/2008 : 23:21:35
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It sounds to me that people are getting messed up over Equitable Stroke Control, the way in which the USGA prevents a person from intentionally pushing their handicap up.
Remember your handicap is the best 10 of your last 20 scores and is your POTENTIAL not your average scores.
You should be shooting your handicap about 25% of the time.
Read more at www.usga.org -- click on handicapping.
Mark, a former handicap chairman. |
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cfabbot
USA
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Posted - 09/20/2008 : 23:08:37
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Wow! Where did all that come from? I wrote the entry that this discussion started with. You can re-read the entry under Myrtle Beach amateur tournament. What I originally said was obviously misinterpreted. I was talking about two different things: SCORE card and entering my score into the HANDICAP system. I shot a 12 on two different holes. The 12's were recorded on my score card and counted towards my score. However, when I entered them into the handicap system at home, I could only enter a 7 for those two holes because the handicap system does not allow a 13 handicap'er to record anything higher than a 7 on any one hole. Thus, even though I shot a 92, I could only record an 82 in the handicap system ....which looks like a shot a good round, when I didn't.
Please, if you don't understand something I enter here...ask me to explain. I don't want to get slammed because someone misinterprets what I say. I'm really a nice guy...just ask me! |
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jordan
USA
180 Posts |
Posted - 09/22/2008 : 14:25:57
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| cfabbot, sorry, but i was not trying to slam you. I was just asking a question from you topic. I have had troubles with peolple in the past and wanted advice, which I got and appreciate. No slamming here, Matt |
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HELP, How does handicap work?
