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OTRChef
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 Posted - 05/11/2008 : 15:36:19
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I still have a copy of the DEC 1995 golf digest article, "You can swing like Moe" in which Todd demonstrates Moe's swing. I have kept this article all these years because NOTHING has helped more in learning the single-axis swing. When my game goes awry, I need only refer once more to the "Sup-45 Abduct" and "Hammer-Drill" to bring me back to a great swing. The "Palm" & "10-finger" grip has always worked for me.
I am trying to improve my game further and many "conventional" golfers tell me that it is because NO one can agree on the fundamentals of a simplified single-axis swing, it cannot be taken seriously. Therefore the ONLY way to improve is to return to a conventional swing.
I would like to swing "more like Moe" but I guess no one can agree on how Moe's swung. I have a tape of Moe, and indeed he swung much like Todd depicted in the 1995 GD article. Now I find, that you (Todd) do not teach this anymore. What has change?
Randy
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TGGS
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USA
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Posted - 05/12/2008 : 08:12:12
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Change #1 - We promote a overlapping grip more than a 10 finger grip. You can use a 10 finger grip, but we have found over years of teaching students find if much easier and understand/feel the hands working together with an overlapping grip better than a 10 finger grip.
Moe used an overlapping grip his entire "playing for a living" life... all his course records, tournament victories, etc.. were won using an overlapping grip.
We have also seen way too many variations with a 10 finger grip compared to an overlapping grip - again, can use either, we have just found the an overlapping solves a lot of the grip issues.
#2 - We don't like the "palm" relationship, etc..
Couple of reasons. It was NEVER related as palm of the lead hand - NEVER... If you are getting lined up with palm of lead hand, probably in too weak a position in the lead hand. It is basically in the fingers of the lead hand (as Moe did).
What is the palm of the trail hand?? No one has the same answer. The key is to get the club lined up in the single axis set up (running of the lead arm (straight line) and lower part of trail arm) at set up. With this alignment correctly and the hands positioned on the club/grip correctly, the club will line up in the appropriate parts of the hands. So many "mess this up" as they try and get the club in the "palm". Moe NEVER set the club intentionally in the "palm" of the trail hand - he set up like he wanted to make impact (single axis) put a grip (hands) on the club that would square the face at impact with speed and the club happened to line up in the "palm" of the trail hand. That is the key.
Tim Graves, PGA
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OTRChef
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Posted - 05/12/2008 : 11:28:28
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"It was NEVER related as palm of the lead hand", hmmmm...I never ever thought of the "palm grip" as the palm of the lead hand. I always thought of it as the palm of the trail hand. This was made quite clear by Todd himself in the 1995 GD article. In the illustration titled "Handle Is Extension Of Forearm" Todd clearly demonstrates the palm grip and relates it to the right hand/forearm only. I NEVER thought of it any other way.
What about "Sup-45 Abduct" and the "Hammer Drill"?
BTW, I might mention that one of the reasons I adopted the SA-swing is because it is right-side dominated. I have left radial nerve palsy and tendon transfers in my left wrist/arm as a result of being shot in Vietnam. If it were not for SA, I'm sure I would not be playing or at the very least, enjoying golf as much as I do! This is why I am so interested in improving my SA swing!
Thanks for the replying so quickly Tim! |
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Toddg
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Posted - 05/12/2008 : 21:55:24
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Hey Randy,
I still teach Moe Norman's Golf Swing. Over the years with Moe I have become better at teaching due to a greater understanding of Moe and his pure single plane swing. The Sup-45 Abduct and the Hammer Drill are still valid as long as the contribute to the correct movement of the golf club on plane. It was these teachings that are offered some people, like yourself, a better understanding of the single plane. The true Model of the single plane was demonstrated by Moe. Any drills related to learning to swing like Moe are valid and those who teach other "variations" of a single plane must still deal with the truest teacher...the golf club and the golf ball. There is nothing really to disagree upon.. you either Swing Like Moe or you don't.
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doc9
USA
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Posted - 05/13/2008 : 19:38:56
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I also like to go back to that article every once in awhile. It really did make a clear demonstration of the way you should hold the club.
It was this article that had me playing the best golf of my life up to that point. Of course now I'm light years ahead of where I was at that point on my journey( I didn't even know my journey had started).
Trust Tim and Todd to get you where you want to be.
When I first read that article I was a perenial 25 handicap, I'm now a 6 at my home course. To me that is the pudding the truth was looking for.Dan |
Those who say "winning isn't everything" probably never won anything. |
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glsc251
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Posted - 05/13/2008 : 20:27:14
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Anyone have or is there a way to get a reprint of the 1995 article?
Thank you,
Gregg |
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OTRChef
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Posted - 05/14/2008 : 09:00:20
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Originally posted by Toddg
Hey Randy,
I still teach Moe Norman's Golf Swing. Over the years with Moe I have become better at teaching due to a greater understanding of Moe and his pure single plane swing. The Sup-45 Abduct and the Hammer Drill are still valid as long as the contribute to the correct movement of the golf club on plane. It was these teachings that are offered some people, like yourself, a better understanding of the single plane. The true Model of the single plane was demonstrated by Moe. Any drills related to learning to swing like Moe are valid and those who teach other "variations" of a single plane must still deal with the truest teacher...the golf club and the golf ball. There is nothing really to disagree upon.. you either Swing Like Moe or you don't.
Todd
Thanks Todd, I really needed to hear that! Nothing made a greater impression on my game more than did this article and your illustrations.
It would seem to me that the "single plane" swing literally "hinges" on the correct grip and the subsequent "correct" wrist-hinge. The "sup-45 abduct" and "hammer drill" illustrated these aspects better than anything I've ever read or been shown I golf!
I hope to retire from trucking this year and plan to attend one of your schools at Eagle Creek.
Thanks for replying! |
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Leo
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Posted - 05/14/2008 : 09:31:59
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Originally posted by glsc251
Anyone have or is there a way to get a reprint of the 1995 article?
Thank you,
Gregg
It is available from Golf Digest. You can order through their back issues section. I got a copy a couple of years ago. The lady told me it was their most asked for back copy. They had run out of the article and were providing photocopies. |
Hoping for success without hard work is like trying to harvest without planting. |
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glsc251
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Posted - 05/14/2008 : 17:20:27
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It is available from Golf Digest. You can order through their back issues section. I got a copy a couple of years ago. The lady told me it was their most asked for back copy. They had run out of the article and were providing photocopies.
Thanks,
Gregg |
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OTRChef
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Posted - 05/15/2008 : 07:36:55
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Originally posted by glsc251
Anyone have or is there a way to get a reprint of the 1995 article?
Thank you,
Gregg
I wrote them and here is their reply:
Hi Randy,
If you are looking for a single copy of this article, then please contact The Conde Nast Back Issues Department. Their contact phone number is 515-243-3273.
Thanks,
Lindsay K. Herron
Permissions Analyst
Condé Nast Publications
1440 Broadway, 11th Floor
New York, New York 10018
"Conde Nast" owns Golf Digest. Hope that helps.
Randy |
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