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azgolfer
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 Posted - 09/24/2009 : 10:48:35
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I never would have thought that so many Mo'ers would be willing to share their experiences with me and others! All the comments were so helpful and should be read by anyone who wants to find a better way to play this crazy and difficult game! It is a wonderful community of people and thanks for all the advice! First, the advice to copy Mo's swing is what comes thru loud and clear in several messages.
The second lesson: We start at knowing nothing about Mo Norman's swing, then we see it and try to copy what we see, but many of us, we don't start with a clean slate, do we? What brought us here ingrained some techniques on how to swing a golf club. Invariably those ideas will creep into this swing and mixing styles isn't such a good idea (that's an understatement).
The last lesson I took from the feedback is to STAY OFF THE GOLF COURSE at least for a while. It is tempting because the swings fundamentals are easy to grasp and maybe for someone who has not learned another method or maybe someone more athletically inclined, it may be. I read a comment on this forum by someone who saw the swing, went out and played golf and had fantastic results, that's great but not my experience. No one can say how much practice we should invest before we play golf but I know that I need several trips to the range to help ingrain the concepts in my muscle memory before I try to use it where aim and distance are so critical. |
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Hack the knife
USA
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Posted - 09/25/2009 : 06:48:46
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Az:
The mechanics produce the results. Trouble is, most people can't divorce the results from the method. If one wants to play during a swing change, then you can't be result oriented - you can't care at all about what you score.
Starting with a clean slate is IMPOSSIBLE. The short version of the essay is that your subconscious "knows" how to swing a club, and to change that requires plenty of time (21 days) to "re-program". You can make progress before that time, but making the change permanent takes that amount of time.
Be sure you get video - because you may think you're doing it right, but if you're making a change, it's nice to know it's the RIGHT change.
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OnePlaner
USA
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Posted - 09/27/2009 : 22:44:04
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AZ,
Thought I would share my pain to hopefully help keep you going. I am new to Graves golf and Moe. I have played for about 16 years and was once a 10 handicap but never fundamentally sound. I could hit my driver about 260yds and struggled to hit my 7 iron 130 yds. I hit woods great irons poor and developed a good short game to compensate foe a lot of great drives wasted with poor iron shots. I had only played twice in the last two seasons and was going to sell all my equipment. I decided to check out Natural Golf and a friend gave me a video package from the origianl NG series. I got curious about Todd and tracked down this site. I decided to forget my old game and rebuild my swing. I wanted a swing that worked for all clubs and a better understanding of what I needed to do to impove.
I started with the tapes and the training club this week and the results with the irons have been great. Hitting the 7 iron about 155 and solid. Now here is where it gets tough:
I cant hit my Driver or my woods for crap. All low hooks and pulls. I had to play in an outing for work today (big mistake) and shot 51/53 in my boss's group. I was our C player and cost us the money as they had me listed at a 15 handicap. We played together two years ago and I shot 79 with him. I was almost sick to my stomach. Remember I am use to driving the ball 260 plus and shooting in the mid to low eighties.
I learned two things today. My new swing is still very new to me and was not ready for any pressure /and that this will be a long road back to good scores.
After contimplating quiting for good on the way home I decided that my biggest golf fear had actaully already happened ( I failed to score well). The crazy thing is that I actually hit my irons better than I ever have.
My long winded point is that you are not alone. Don't give up, keep working and things will come around. Also, stay off the course for awhile, give yourself a chance to get comfortable with your chnages.
Good luck!!!!
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Wells_M
USA
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Posted - 10/01/2009 : 19:42:45
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Hello to all,
Vinnie, Chuck, and Russ have all been to schools with me. Tim, Todd, Scott, Jared, Dave, and others are the most dedicated professionals I have met. They all have different teaching styles. Tim is usually on my a__s. Todd is more patient. Both styles are helpful. No complaints on either teaching style. The schools are fantastic. I use the internet golf academy and have had good results. I am in one of those occupations Tim mentioned and am admittedly fairly obsessive compulsive. I am still using the same basic suggestions that come back to me after every video lesson. It is the same old stuff. Same suggestions. Same drills. But, the results are definitely better. That is the beauty of Moe's swing. Todd and his staff are all consistent in what they teach. It is the same stuff over and over and over again. No quick fixes. Repetition ad nauseum. If you keep at it, it will become habit. Changes occur very slowly, but they do. My ball striking is as good as ever.
Todd has even said, "Wells, your swing is looking good." You just have to let go and do what they tell you to do. It is really hard breaking bad habits, as Russ said. You are trying to unlearn bad habits and reprogram an unconscious physical movement. It takes time and much repetition to develop new habits. That is basically how I see it. I am trying to develop a new habit, just in the form of a golf swing. An unconscious habit. Not easy but it is obtainable if you devote the time and effort to it.
I encourage everyone to participate in this process that GGA offers. It works.
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Einstein
Canada
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Posted - 10/03/2009 : 02:29:08
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A million words can be written,,Moes way truly is the simplest way to become a consistent striker of the ball for the average golfer. I have no doubt about this and I've played a bit,,,over 35 yrs, I really dont care too much about score ,,thats a lot about putting etc but I always rate my full shots out of a 10 rating. I just look for good consistent shots 7 and up,, 8s and 9 s are the norm,,I'm a 4 cap these days, but remember get
1,, your grip correct,2,,, stance width uncomfortably wide, 3,head over trail knee and 4 ,,,feel like you have a 3/4 swing,,5,,,for 7 iron ball position is 1/2 ball forward of centre,,,,,,less is more is truly the case.
Get a DVD that shows the PVC drill and I guarantee you will have success. I envy you for you are about to make a huge breakthrough.
DONT QUIT BEFORE THE MIRACLE!
Welcome to the world of Moeniacs. Regards
Einstein
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brasstax
USA
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Posted - 10/11/2009 : 20:00:23
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| I agree that learning is a journey. But many of you who tout Moe's swing, or any swing, can cut your handicap in 1/2 already have golf talent. So, it's easy for you to cut your handicap. What about the rest of us who can't break 100? This year, I have toiled on the practice area and range over 400 hours, not including the few rounds of golf I actually played. That should be enough time to develop a repeatable golf swing. No swing method worked, not even Moe's. I was so hoping that I could finally learn how to play golf well. It's embarassing when my 80 year old dad outhits me, especially outdrives me by 100 yards. I am proof that I am willing to put in the time, effort, and money to get better. But I am no better now than I was in March. Please convince me that I can get better. |
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Hack the knife
USA
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Posted - 10/11/2009 : 20:21:37
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Brasstax:
You can spend hours on the range - working on the wrong things - and all you'll get out of it is tired.
Spending that much range time, with a video camera, should produce dramatic improvement.
Unless you're working on something specific (practice with a purpose) all you're doing is beating balls - and beating balls doesn't make you better by default.
So, either send the guys a video or get to a school, and put in your range time with a video camera to be sure you're doing what you think you're doing, working toward the model. |
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edmp
USA
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Posted - 10/11/2009 : 21:02:47
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Brasstax,
Scroll up to the top of this page and click on "home". when there go to "more" and click on "featured alumni "on the drop down window. READ MY STORY AND YOU WILL FIND THERE NEVER WAS A WORSE GOLFER THAN ME(I). Today,I reagularly break 85 and ocassionally I break 80. With all due respect I believe that Moe's swing didn't work for you because you were not actually doing it correctly. Therefore as Hacktheknife pointed out all you were doing is practicing doing a bad swing better.That will never work.
The grip is crucial,if you don't have a training club my bet is that your grip is probably wrong.You could hit a million balls with a bad grip and never get better, I know because I literally hit thousands with a bad gtip and got the exact results you did.Once my grip was right,my progress was rapid.
Please understand that I am not chastizing you. I have walked many miles in your shoes. The Moe swing is absolutely the easiest way to strike a golf ball period,and you are not untalented enough to be able to learn it.Anyone can learn this swing if I did. I did and you can too. However you must do it correctly.
Good luck,
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Einstein
Canada
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Posted - 10/13/2009 : 16:28:50
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Really well said EDMP,,,,right on the money,,,we so often THINK we are doing one thing when in fact we are NOT,,Training club plus camera plus if poss a school and it will all come together. It really will.
regards
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brasstax
USA
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Posted - 10/21/2009 : 11:36:40
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I would like to say "thank you" to GGA and all of you "Moeniacs" who have not misled anyone (including me) into thinking that Moe's swing is "so easy that even a cave man could do it." You all have stated rather explicitly that the swing takes time to adapt to and time to master (or at least do well), and that it requires continual monitoring and tweaking. The drills are very helpful and I look forward to working on these drills this winter. And you have provided stepping stones (training aids, roadmaps) to performing the swing better and better.
Thanks for not sugar coating the difficulties but leading us on a journey. This past year, I have enjoyed the research into different swing methods and swing theories. I have learned what I can and cannot do, physically and mentally, with regard to golf. Some things I have learned quite well. Other things I need a lot of work. But I am much better today swing-wise than I was in February. Now that I want to know Moe and his swing, I can't wait to take it to the course in 2010.
My regards,
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Hack the knife
USA
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Posted - 10/21/2009 : 14:18:38
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I'm headed down to Florida next week.
Once I get Chuck edjimakated on how to use his flip with V1 - I'm gonna insist on some strokes 
Jeff: It's all about the journey. The first step is to commit to the method - then with the dedication you put into trying CG this year, you will make quick progress. Anyone who is willing to spend oodles of range time - working toward this model, can't help but succeed. Hopefully we'll get to see you next summer at the Moe tournament |
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edmp
USA
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Posted - 10/21/2009 : 16:25:19
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Kevie,
Really looking forward to the visit but NO STROKES. However I do get the forward tee!!LOL
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Hack the knife
USA
582 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2009 : 16:42:31
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| 10,000 comedians on the unemployment line - and I have to play golf with one |
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edmp
USA
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Posted - 10/21/2009 : 17:14:06
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Kevie,
Just loaded six flips on my computer,practice makes perfect.Even e-mailed myself one.But boy do you have a challenge ahead of you,but I know you can do it.
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azgolfer
USA
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Posted - 10/21/2009 : 19:15:24
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| There is a lot of discussion here and elsewhere on the forum about the grip. It sometimes reads like there is some magical formula. In reality the grip as demonstrated in the GG videos and elsewhere is simply a "strong" grip (rotation away from the target, with thumb vees pointing toward the trail shoulder). For the trail arm and hand, Natural golf says to grip the club from underneath and GGA definitely shows the trail forearm sunny side up but not from underneath the club like NG. Not sure how this is such a unique position for the hands when gripping the golf club. |
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