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 Posted - 11/03/2008 : 14:51:27
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"Little Moe" Signature School
October 2008 Instructional Newsletter Update
Issue #82A
Hello Everyone,
Just got back from our trip to San Diego - had a great camp and school at Barona Golf Course - thanks to all those who attended and thanks to the wonderful staff at Barona. They always treat us great and how can you not enjoy the course where they have held the Nationwide Tour Championship last year and will again in 2010.
Our last school of 2008 is in 2 weeks - there is no better time to get a TON of information to work on over the winter - the school will be at our academy in Orlando. If you are interested in attending - give us a call or email - you can see more information below.
Spreading the word of Moe contest
We have decided to continue the contest - we will draw a new winner every 2 months. The next contest winner will win a new driver of their choice (up to $300 value). So if you want to win a 2009 Callaway, Taylormade, Adams, Titleist, Cobra.... NEW driver custom fit to you - just forward our etip to your golfing friends - or anyone you think might be interested in receiving our free instruction!! (Each time you forward this etip - you receive an entry - forward to 50 different people - you are entered 50 times.)
So, help us share the word about Moe Norman with the golf world and possibly win a NEW DRIVER!!
To forward this etip, click on button below.
FYI - when you forward the etip, we have no idea who you forward it too.... only that you forwarded the etip. The only way the recipient can receive our etips in the future is if he/she signs up for our newsletters.
Thank you for your help in spreading the word about Moe Norman's simple and effective swing and good luck!
FYI - For all those receiving this etip for the first time and would like to continue receiving this instruction each month - please go to www.swinglikemoe.com - sign up is on the home page - all etips are free and we NEVER give/sell email addresses - they remain confidential at the Graves Golf Academy.
Knowmoe.com
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Next Webinar - TONIGHT!!
NEW LIVE TRAINING WEBINAR
'Winter Training Webinar'
NEW VIDEOS!!!
We have just completed several new videos for the Know Moe Website. Now
available at www.knowmoe.com are:
1.5 Drill Expanded
Tiger Putting Tip - Lead Hip Putting
Gordy Before and After
Moe vs Vijay Singh
We will also be setting up a section on the site for Winter Training which
will include a full slate of practice tips for keeping your game at peek
performance during the winter months.
This is the time when all the pros work on those areas of the their game
in preparation for the next season. Don't stuff your clubs in a closet
until March!
Tim and Todd will be expanding on this topic next week at our Live
Training Webinar. If you haven't reserved your spot it's not too late.
Here are the details:
Our Next Webinar - WATCH LIVE & FREE
Date: October 30th
Time: 7:00p - Eastern Time, 6:00 Central, 5:00 - Mountain, 4:00 -
Pacific....
Length: 1 hour
Where: LIVE ON YOUR COMPUTER
Number of Participants / "Seats" in the Webinar: Limited to the FIRST 500
who register
Topics to be Covered: (Scheduled): Length of backswing, wrist
flexibility, leg action, arm action, creating more speed and more. Plus,
questions from participants, Live email questions/comments, and much
more.
How to Sign Up:
1. Click this LINK - http://www.knowmoe.com/slm/content.php?id=5
2. Enter your name and email address to let us know you want to
attend.
3. If you attended the last webinar then you will be directed to the
signup page. If not then
follow the directions in step 4.
4. IMPORTANT: You will receive an email from us titled RESPONSE
REQUIRED: Confirm
your request to attend GGA's Know Moe Seminar.
a. YOU MUST CLICK THE LINK ON THIS EMAIL TO CONFIRM YOUR EMAIL
ADDRESS!
b. If you are one of the first 500 people, this link will take you to
the registration page.
If you don't click this link you will NOT be registered for the
event.
c. If the event is full. Clicking this link will let you know.
5. After going to the registration page. Enter all required
information and submit. You will receive a second email from this email
address: admin@knowmoe.com, confirming your registration and containing
details about the event.
www.Knowmoe.com - Over 50 video practice tips covering GGA 7 Principles and practice tips added each week, Game tracking system related to 7 Principles, Live Webinars viewing anytime you want, Moe vs. Pros video analysis of recent PGA winners, much much more.... GGA's way to bring up to date instruction to you!! A very cheap way to get ongoing instruction to improve your game!!
This is the "GGA's Future" to "continuing education" - an easy way to get information to everyone interested at a low price and allows everyone to access on their own time and convenience.
Lastest comments about www.knowmoe.com:
By Doc9 (moenormanforum.com):
"The video on how to hit a stinger (on www.knowmoe.com) rules!!
I went out today in pretty windy conditions-windy for us guys in the north east about 30 mph, I know that's not real wind in you Texas/ Oklahoma boys - I went over the stinger video on the know Moe site and was anxious to give it a try. The first 5 holes was with the wind so I wasn't able to use the stinger until the 6th hole which is a 150 yd par 3. I took one more club, 7 instead of 8 and hit my stinger under the wind to about 8 feet and drained the putt for my 4th straight birdie today. The 7th and 8th were dead into the wind and by hitting the stinger I was actually able to get the tee ball to where I would normally hit the ball in calm conditions. The ball stayed about 10 feet off the ground and just kept going. It was a beautifull sight. Thanks Tim for putting up that video. Between Todds ball position video and your stinger video I had my best 9 hole round ever at my home course. I shot a 31 on our par 35 front. I had 5 birdies and one bogey and the rest pars. The stinger actually worked so good that I think it improved my normal ball striking. Everything I hit today was so crisp. Now I don't know if the stinger is designed to help you with your ball striking but it sure helped mine today.
The only problem is that this is the first 9 hole round I played since last tuesdays round, and I shot even par on the back last week and now 4 under this week on the front so now its going to be combined to make up a score of 67 on my handicap card. It sure looks good but how the heck am I going to be able to play to that now? Oh well, I'll just have to keep up those scores or keep them down, you know what I mean. Thanks again for making such a great amount of awesome videos at our finger tips."
Doc 9
If you have additional questions/comments, please feel free to call or email us anytime.
Orlando - Last time in 2008 and Last GGA school for 2008
Next week we'll be making our way back to Orlando for the last time in 2008.
As of today, our 3 day school (November 7 - 9th) is not sold out - one of a few in 2008 that has spots open the week prior to the event. If you would like personal instruction and A LOT of information to work on over the winter to give you these best jump start to any golf year - give us a call or email - we are happy to work something out with you.
To see more information about our 3 day schools please go to: http://swinglikemoe.com/index.php?customernumber=620152478481286&pr=3_Day_School
For more information give us a call or email anytime - we discuss details and/or answer any questions you might have.
Practice Tip:
Do you want to cut your handicap in HALF?
Find out how a fellow alumni did it in just 4 months.
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Continuation of Winter Practice
by Todd & Tim Graves
Questions - Do you want to cut your handicap in 1/2 in the next few months? Do you think it would take hours and hours of practice each day and 1000s of practice balls? If you do, you are GREATLY mistaken.
This past week, we were at our golf school at Barona Golf Course in San Diego, CA. The first 5 days, we held a camp with 7 participants - one was an alumni from our OKC camp this past June. He told me he was so happy with his improvement from his June camp, he wanted to bring his wife to our CA camp and continue his learning/improvement.
After talking to him - I wanted to share his experience/journey with everyone to help your golf game.
First some background:
Name: Bob D. (his name on our forum - www.moenormanforum.com is bobch53e)
Occupation: American Airline Pilot
Married (Bob and his wife Tomoe are both GGA alumni)
Children - mid 20s....
GGA Camps attended - GGA June '08 camp and last week - Oct ' 08
Handicap / golf scores prior to attending GGA camp: 17+ (average score low 90s)
Handicap today (4 months after attending GGA camp): 11 (average score high 70s / low 80s)
Low score: 75 (one month ago)
Time spent at range hitting balls - Twice a week
Bob has lowered his handicap by nearly 40% in just 4 months.
Why do I give you his background - to show you he is just like most - full time job, family, etc.. limited time to practice - but here is the kicker - he has dropped his handicap considerably in just a few months - very different than most conventional golfers.
Now let's talk about Bob's recommendations to you and what you can learn from Bob's progress....
First - Bob does not spend a lot of time each week hitting golf balls. Rather - he spends most of his time (he says a few minutes up to an hour+) each night working on the PVC drill and extended training grip club drill. He does hit a few balls into a net he has built in his garage, but has spent a majority of his time working on this swing since our last camp working on the PVC drill with and extended training grip club drill.
To see more about the PVC drill please click HERE.
To see more about the video containing the PVC drill, etc.. please click HERE.
Second - Bob understands making changes is a process and that it does take time, but the time can be minimized / shortened if the process is done right. He understands that he needs to check his changes to make sure he is on the "right track". To do so, he participates in our Internet Golf Academy - by far the easiest way to check your swing, determine what changes need to be made and get ongoing instruction from the GGA - you can see more at: http://swinglikemoe.com/index.php?customernumber=98224626591949&pr=Internet_Golf_Academy&=SID
Bob's wife Tomoe told me is was very interesting to see Bob's change before he attended our first camp to when he came back. He no longer "randomly" practiced, hit balls, etc.. but rather seemed to always have something to work on (as we call it - practicing with a purpose everytime). In fact, Tomoe told me she became interested in our schools/camps watching the change in Bob - she wanted more information on what he was working on.
They both told me they the love our new webinars and they watch our webinars again and again for the new information (you can see more at www.knowmoe.com)
I asked Bob what he considered the biggest factor of his success - he told me it was understanding making changes is a process - a continual process and each change you make is a step toward improvement and obviously better scores....
Notes from Todd:
As your golf instructors for the Moe Norman Single Plane Golf Swing, we are always looking for better and different ways to teach you. The different ways allow all of you, who learn differently, to resonate with the various drills, instruction and information.
We are all uniquely human and we all learn differently. This means that some of you will enjoy the material while others may not find that it suits their type of learning. Which brings me to an important bit of information - something you need to know about the next three months and how important these months could be for your golf swing progress.
Even though all of us learn differently, there is one common denominator that neutralizes our ability to change. This common denominator is time and effort. No matter how you learn or what how your enjoy learning, it is going to take both time and effort to change.
Years ago, NASA performed an experiment that explains this phenomenon. They were experimenting with Scientists to study their stress levels so they placed goggles on them that turned their worlds literally upside down. Can you image wearing something that makes everything you see upside down? The scientists then sat back and observed.
Obviously the astronauts experienced huge amounts of stress but after some time, the stress reduced, then after 26 to 30 days, the image through the glasses turned right side up! They saw normally again.
Now the reason I am fascinated by this study, other than the fact that NASA treats human beings like Guinea Pigs, is that this study exactly represents why the world needs golf instructors. Let me explain.
When the astronauts first wore the goggles, their worlds changed. Everything they knew, or thought they knew, was suddenly rearranged. This significant change stressed their nervous systems. Now, if you are like me, you would have taken the goggles off and said "forget it, I don't need this stress, I'm going back to my normal, right-side-up world".
So why does this relate to golf instruction? Because, this is the exact response you experience when you make a golf swing change and you try to play a round of golf and start hitting bad shots. The bad shots and stress caused by the confusion makes your brain revert back to what is comfortable or feels normal. You take off the goggles.
What I didn't tell you about the NASA experiment was the most important part of the experiment. They found, after continuing theses studies, that if the astronauts removed the goggles anytime during the 26 to 30 day period, that they would never adjust to the changes. In other words, by interrupting the brain's rebuilding process, it would go back to the comfortable patterns, just as you do when you play golf after a lesson.
The story about the astronauts is about change. Fortunately, our brains develop patterns and habits and this keeps us alive. But if we have something in our lives that we want to make different, we must observe our current patterns and actively change them until the new change becomes habit. We must put on goggles and most importantly, keep them on!
This winter is an important winter. Why? Because I want you to, as my brother Tim would say, "think outside the box".
While most people think the winter months are a time to take off, away from golf. I believe the opposite. I believe that the winter gives us an opportunity away from playing the game where we can focus specifically on changes we want to make. The winter is a great time to put on the goggles and keep them on.
As an instructor if this winter is like last winter, I will have plenty of time to play golf myself as my students take time off. This is a huge mistake and a complete waste of your precious time for improvement. Why wait until next year to start working on your game? This thinking makes no sense!
I challenge all of you, who desire to play a better game of golf, to take this winter seriously as the most important time that you have to improve. Get busy now and start making plans to visit us this winter. We would love to get out the goggles and get you on your way to the best golf of your life in 2009.
Remember - Always Practice with a Purpose!!
GGA Event Schedule
Please don't hesitate to give us a call or email if interested in attending any of these events... all schools/camps have sold out so far this year, not so great for those who wait until the last minute to sign up.
2008
Nov. 7-9, 2008 - 3 day school - GGA Academy @ Eagle Creek Golf Club - Orlando, FL- (Open)
2009:
Feb 1-3, 2009 - 3 day school, GGA Academy @ Eagle Creek Golf Club, Orlando, FL (Open)
Feb. 4-8, 2009 - Build Your Game Camp - - GGA Academy @ Eagle Creek Golf Club, Orlando, FL (Open)
Feb 21-22, 2009 - 2 Day Alumni School - GGA Academy @ Eagle Creek Golf Club, Orlando, FL (Open)
Feb. 23-27, 2009 - Build Your Game Camp - - GGA Academy @ Eagle Creek Golf Club, Orlando, FL (Open)
Mar. 6-8, 2009 - 3 day school, GGA Academy @ Eagle Creek Golf Club, Orlando, FL (Open)
Mar. 9-13, 2009 - ALUMNI Build Your Game Camp - - GGA Academy @ Eagle Creek Golf Club, Orlando, FL (Open)
Mar. 27-29, 2009 - Couples 3 Day School - GGA Academy @ Eagle Creek Golf Club, Orlando, FL (Open)
Mar. 30 - Apr. 3, 2009 - Build Your Game Camp - - GGA Academy @ Eagle Creek Golf Club, Orlando, FL (Open)
Others TBA
Please visit our website at www.swinglikemoe.com for updated events and more information.
Online Registration available.
If you would like more information about the schools agenda, etc.. or would like more information about a particular area, please feel free to call or email anytime: TimKGraves@aol.com or 866-377-2316 within US, 405-823-9693 (outside US). We have brochures we can send and/or email.
Moeisms - the wit and wisdom of Moe Norman
Moe Norman: "Keep your knees soft and mobile, soft and mobile"
Please feel free to comment on this or email any of your favorite "Moeism's" to us if you'd like to share with others....
GGA Club Specials
Many companies are now dropping prices to lower inventory as the golf season is winding down... The prices are good as long as the companies have product inventory.... If you are interested in a driver, hybrid, set of irons or any clubs - give us a call or email - we'll discuss pricing, many have been reduced for end of year specials.
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To save space, we have made a slight change in the Club Special section of the newsletter. Below you will find a link to a page that will list all club specials with better pictures, more information, and full pricing for our Club specials.
See all club specials by clicking the link below:
http://swinglikemoe.com/index.php?pr=GGA_Club_Specials&nosessionkill=1
OR
GGA Club specials
Call the GGA at (866)377-2316 or email timg@swinglikemoe.com for all your club questions, club needs, etc. Let the experts help you!
GGA Instruction Materials
This is where EVERYONE should start to learn Moe's Single Axis Swing - a MUST HAVE!!!!
GGA Total Game Overview Instructional DVD 10 minute Freeview.
See our latest and newest release - TROUBLES AND SOLUTIONS - great reviews (visit our chatroom to read them)
GGA "FEELING OF GREATNESS" GRIP TRAINING CLUB: $129.95
GGA / TGGS INSTRUCTIONAL TAPES:
Please see:http://swinglikemoe.com/shopping/pgm-more_information.php?id=7&=SID
"Little Moe's" Swing for Life $24.95
GGA Short Game: $19.95
Course Management/ "How to Practice": $19.95
Get all three on VHS: $64.95
All three on DVD: $64.95
Volume #1 - #6 - 7 Principles of Golf Improvement - $64.95 each
Entire Series: $299 - ***Special, FREE DVD with purchase of full set***
Mind of Moe Norman DVD - featuring NBA coach Rick Carlisle w/ Todd Graves - $49.95
Leverage bag: $35.95
GGA Putting Training System - $54.95
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* A small shipping charge will be added to all orders.
If you are interested in any of the above specials, please call us at 866-377-2316 within US or 405-823-9693 outside US, or email Tim Graves at TIMKGRAVES@AOL.COM or TIMG@SWINGLIKEMOE.COM
We wish everyone continued success with their golf games, and hope to see everyone very soon.
Tim Graves, PGA, Graves Golf Academy Owner/Instructor
Todd Graves, Graves Golf Academy Owner/Instructor
Scott Renfrow, GGA Director of Customer Relations
Dave Predzin, PGA(a), USGTF, GGA Master Instructor
Clay Farnsworth, PGA, GGA Instructor
Mick Benson, GGA Instructor
Shannon Kniesler, LPGA, GGA Instructor
Ben Stanborough, PGA (European), GGA Instructor
Clayton Zwicker, GGA Apprentice
Graves Golf Academy
www.swinglikemoe.com - GGA Website
866-377-2316
405-823-9693 (Outside US)
timg@swinglikemoe.com
timkgraves@aol.com
www.moenormanforum.com - GGA Chat Forum
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brasstax
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Posted - 10/11/2009 : 19:37:57
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| I am so skeptical of any golf web site that touts someone can cut their handicap in 1/2. That may work for someone who has a handicap of 10, 12, or 20. Those people already have golf talent, so it's easy for them to tweak their game sufficiently to lower their handicap. But you can not convince me that Moe's swing or anyone's swing can cut my handicap from 40+ to 20. I spent a ton of money on a PGA pro, hit 100's of range balls, and toiled on the practice area for over 400 hours this year. I broker 100 once. That's pathetic for someone who has worked so hard, so long. Now, I'm broke from golf with nothing to show for it. I thought Moe's swing would be my magin potion, but it hasn't worked either. If someone has any real suggestions, please let me know. |
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TGGS
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Posted - 10/11/2009 : 20:06:27
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I will let those that have cut their handicaps in 1/2 or much better answer this one. If I answer will sound like "touting" again (as you say)...
My question for you is what have you done to work on Moe's swing? Who have you seen? Or, who has checked what you are doing?
I don't care if you have hit 1,000,000 golf balls - if you don't practice with a purpose or practice correctly - you can actually get worse than when you started...
Tim Graves, PGA
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Tim Graves, PGA
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mainemoe
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Posted - 10/11/2009 : 20:13:22
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Brasstax,
You sound like a VERY frustrate golfer. Moe's swing will not be your magic potion nor will any swing. Let me give you a little history: I started playing golf in 1995 at age 40. Being a former athlete, I quickly became very frustrated with the game. In 1999, I went to a 2 day conventional golf school that was a waste of money. I came across Natural Golf in 2001 and Graves Golf Academy in 2004. I attended a GGA 3 day school in 2004. My handicap index was 20. The school was an awesome experience and if you get a chance I would highly recommend it. I have not cut my handicap in half as it is currently 12.4 but I'm enjoying the game. I broke 80 for the first time this year on a resort course and I dropped my scoring average 3 shots. Not huge but I am inproving. If you haven't done so I recommend you do the following: 1.) Make sure your clubs fit you (Tim does a great job) 2. Have the GGA grips on your clubs 3. Have ball and position trainer 4. Have the impact bag 5. The videos 6. Do the PVC drill and finally I just received- Graves putting system. Understand that learning this swing takes time and it is a process and you will improve.
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brasstax
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 05:34:31
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I wasn't trying to be rude to anyone, so please forgive me if it sounded that way. I am not dismissing your advice; I just need to take it all in and see if I am up to the commitment (physically, mentall, and especially financially).
Yes, I am frustrated because this was the year where I finally had the time to learn golf the right way.
Yes, I have practiced with a purpose. My practice routines were clear and precise as to what I wanted to achieve and how I wanted to achieve them. But whatever optimism I had beginning the sessions usually ended up in defeat. But like a crazed gambler, I kept going back, somehow believing that the next practice session had to be better.
But, what you guys are saying is that I need to make another huge financial commitment to try to learn Moe's swing? Based on what you've mentioned above (the academy, club fitting, new grips, new training devices, etc.), what it the total outlay for all this? Again, not to be rude, I just need to know what kind of money we're talking about. I have probably spent $4,000+ on golf this year, and what do I have to show for it? Not much. Thanks for your help. I do truly appreciate it.
You guys probably can't believe how desparate I am to play good golf.
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Hack the knife
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 06:23:50
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Jeff:
I'll step up as evidence that it can be done. Before I saw the guys I was around a 40. Shooting under 120 was an accomplishment. Now my index ranges between 15 and 17, and I'm not finished. Now, you're looking to break 100 - if you work as hard as you say you did this year, on the right things, you'll be looking for 90 - then 80.
The GGA e-mails always list some of the items they have on sale at the time. Not all are needed immediately, or by every student. I'd say the training club is essential - the grip is the foundation of the swing. Some form of feedback on whether the changes you're making are good is also essential. Video is a great tool - USE IT!!! |
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brasstax
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 07:21:07
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Hack (by the way, I sing a great Mack the Knife),
Thanks for the reply. I am still willing to put in the time and effort to acquire a repeatable golf swing. Hopefully, Todd and Tim have some drills one can do in the basement during the winter. My next "on course" opportunity will be mid-March in Sun City, Arizona. |
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dbmeyers
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 08:28:30
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Jeff,
I feel your pain...like many others here I have a similar story. I wouldn't even keep score in the past...I almost quit golf, I wasted money on training aids, lessons but for some reason it just didn't work. The funny thing is I'm a pretty good athlete..played baseball in college and into my 30's....which means nothing in this crazy sport!! It will take time and effort...and some money. It's still golf, there is no "easy" solution. I did spend some $ and took time. The thing is I can still have an ugly round...but I've also broken 90 this year. I feel like I'm knocking on the door to being a pretty good golfer...it will be one year for me next April with this Graves teachings.
I live outside Chicago so I'm in a similar situation for this winter. Start with the basics...grip and set-up. Get a mirror you can use. DO the PVC drill. Like others have said...grip is essential! I've found several times this year my problems were grip related. If you can get a video camera and have some basic computer knowlegdge that will go VERY far. The internet academy is a great deal here...check it out. I believe video is the most effective way to get better....it may cost a few bucks up front, but will save $$ in long run. The free V1 software is nice...for a few bucks more you can a more robust version. I'm fortunate because I was in the IT field for 10 years in my previous life...many of which were dealing high end media software(video/images). So I've really taken the video thing and run with it. One of the great things about this swing and the Graves teaching is there are no "Gimicks"...hell, one of their best training aids is a piece of PVC pipe! Good luck!!
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edmp
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 10:24:41
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Posted - 10/11/2009 : 21:02:47
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Brasstax,
Scroll up to the top of this page and click on "home". when there go to "more" and click on "featured alumni "on the drop down window. READ MY STORY AND YOU WILL FIND THERE NEVER WAS A WORSE GOLFER THAN ME(I). Today,I reagularly break 85 and ocassionally I break 80. With all due respect I believe that Moe's swing didn't work for you because you were not actually doing it correctly. Therefore as Hacktheknife pointed out all you were doing is practicing doing a bad swing better.That will never work.
The grip is crucial,if you don't have a training club my bet is that your grip is probably wrong.You could hit a million balls with a bad grip and never get better, I know because I literally hit thousands with a bad gtip and got the exact results you did.Once my grip was right,my progress was rapid.
Please understand that I am not chastizing you. I have walked many miles in your shoes. The Moe swing is absolutely the easiest way to strike a golf ball period,and you are not untalented enough to be able to learn it.Anyone can learn this swing if I did. I did and you can too. However you must do it correctly.
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brasstax
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 11:04:47
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Actually, I really believe my grip is proper. Does the training club come with paper or dvd instructions on the proper grip? I have seen some grip videos on the Moe Norman Golf Academy web site. Do their instructions differ from Graves? The last thing I want to do is purchase the training club and STILL not grip it correctly.
Thanks for everyone's help. Sometimes the truth hurts, but it's good for the soul. So, lay the wood (or should I say metal driver?) to me as much as needed. It's nice to know I'm in good company. I hope I can reciprocate sometime soon. |
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TGGS
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mainemoe
USA
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 17:50:43
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Brasstax,
I'm left handed so the training club doesn't work for me. I did buy it for my wife however. If you don't want to purchase the training right now purchase the grips- put them on your clubs and sit in front of the TV during these coming winter months working on the proper grip using the GGA markings. It worked for me.
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garb
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 18:11:17
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Brasstax -- I am in the process of moving from my old CG to the Moe Swing taught by GGA. I understand your fustration, and am feeling the same as I attempt to get rid of my old swing and move on. So far, I've made a minimum financial outlay, but what I have done seems to be working. I purchased two of the GGA dvd's, which have a lot of great information and have gotten me started. I also constructed a PVC swing aid (very cheap) which I am using as part of my everyday Moe Swing work out. I think the big hurdle I've moved past is just convincing myself to take the jump and start working with the GGA swing. Financially, I don't see any of the GGA schools in my future. However, there is a lot of great instructional information on the GGA internet sites that can be of great use.
I wish you the best of luck. Just keep moving forward and I believe this swing will work great for you.
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rustyredcab
USA
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 18:28:37
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brasstax
If you're a 40 and do not have physical issues (e.g. hands don't hinge, knees are really bad, etc.) or some mental issue (e.g. Charles Barkley), you can cut your handicap to 20 with this swing. If you were a 20, I don't know if you could get it to a 10 with just a swing improvement. I've only dropped my index 30% since finding Graves but my high scores are rare and much lower.
The training club is pretty self-explanatory. You basically can only hold it the correct way. Buy yourself a pvc pipe at the hardware store and start working that drill. And do as dan suggests and invest in a camera and start viewing you swing and view yourself doing the pvc drill. You'll hit the ball better this spring and 20 should be in view. You'll also need to learn how to 2-putt.
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2-Day Alumni school 2006 & 2007
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bobperry22
USA
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 18:50:54
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Jeff,
You will hear from some great people on this forum - many who have been where you are and know what you are feeling. Many of us HAVE cut our handicaps by AT LEAST 1/2 since coming on board. I will tell you this - no matter what your goals are in this game, TGGS will help you get there. If just breaking 100 is what you seek, they will help you do it. If you want to become a scratch golfer, they can help you do it. The "formula" is perfect - it is just a matter of what you are willing to put into it.
I would suggest starting with a training club package (a great overview DVD comes with this). It is the best place to start. Spend the winter working on your grip and doing the PVC drill. If you are serious about getting really good at this game, you need to condition your body as well. I don't know what shape you are in - but overall strength, core strength and flexibility are MUSTS if you want to play this game correctly. Your "progress" with the swing will be limited by your physical abilities - hard to hear for some, but it is the truth.
If you are truely frustrated and ready to do something about it, you have found the right place. If you just want to enjoy the game of golf and share this wonderful game with a few nice people, this is also the best place to do that.
What ever you decide, good luck. If you want more info or need to "talk this out" more, you can always send me a personal message on this board and I will be happy to get you my email address.
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Bob Perry |
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brasstax
USA
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 20:28:21
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To Tim, Russ, Allen, Bob, Rick, Dan, and everyone else:
If this has any correlation, five years ago (at age 49), I began taking voice lessons from a man who was Robert Goulet's accompanist and spent time on Broadway, etc. In the first year, I couldn't stand having my wife in the house while I rehearsed because I didn't want her to hear my mistakes. She tired of that and purposely sat in on my rehearsals and yelled at me, "Sing!" After three years of lessons and continued work on my own, I have developed a concert-quality voice. After that first year of learning, understanding, and applying the "mechanics" of singing (which are many, to my surprise), I then learned the "art" of singing. If Josh Groban is the equivalent of a scratch golfer, then I would be about an 6-8 handicap.
So, let me ask you this: Will learning Moe's swing be just as similar to my singing development? Am I going to hear a collective "duh" from you guys on this?
Anyway, your encouragement has been helpful and appreciated. I am an immersive learner, where I give everything I have to a particular learning process. That's what golf is to me now. Believe me, I can sing. Now, I want to golf! |
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