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niceshot
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 Posted - 06/23/2008 : 12:32:58
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Tim;
I know that you recommend a more conventional set up for the short game. One of my problems as I learn the Moe swing (through the four pvc drill positions) is that when I get on the course I revert sometimes to an early wrist cock instead of a one piece turn to position one. Of course by then the whole swing is out of position and I lose the ball way right.
To try and relieve this tendency, I recently started practicing the short chips and pitches trying to achieve a single plane set-up. I do this by shortening up on the pvc to the length of a wedge and then practice the pvc drill to attain position 1, then wrist cock to position 2. I am hoping to ingrain one motion instead of two.
I just started this drilling, and thought I better check with you before going any further. What problems might I encounter, and am I headed for trouble down the road?
Thank you for your insight, Rod
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TGGS
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USA
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Posted - 06/25/2008 : 16:46:27
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When you choke down on a club, you much also drop you hands slightly to make up for the lie angle of the club. If you choke down and set up in single axis - you will dig the toe of the club into the ground. On chips / short pitches, will cause club to flare open at impact and make for non-solid impact.
Tim Graves, PGA
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sgolf1214
32 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2008 : 18:26:10
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Tim,
For pitch shots from this setup position, are the positions in the swing the same as for full shots? Specifically, is there a vertical drop? Thanks.
Doug. |
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TGGS
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USA
1919 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2008 : 20:40:02
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Yes, the pitch shot is a mini version of the full swing.
Make sure if not a full swing - slightly open stance to help the hips a little.
Tim Graves, PGA
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jaavenor
USA
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Posted - 07/24/2008 : 19:53:51
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| Tim, could you demonstrate what you mean by "dropping your hands slightly" when choking down on the club - perhaps in your next video on-line opportunity? I've all the DVDs and do not find reference to "dropping" hands. Or do you mean holding position three for as long as possible - which I think may cause a lowering of hands? Thank you - I'm having the same flaring toe dig problem with my wedges that you described above. |
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TGGS
Administrator
USA
1919 Posts |
Posted - 07/24/2008 : 21:24:29
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I mean when you set up.
When you choke down on the club - you need to drop you hands slightly - you are not in a single axis set up. You need to drop your hand slightly down to compensate for the lie angle of the club - if you don't, you will dig the toe of the club into the ground.
Tim Graves, PGA
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sgolf1214
32 Posts |
Posted - 07/28/2008 : 13:29:01
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Tim,
Spent some time on the range working on hitting 50-70 yard pitch shots over the weekend. After getting off to a good start, I started hitting a number of pitch shots fat. At first, I thought I was releasing the club too early, but even consciously trying to get my hands ahead of the ball at impact did not seem to help much. My question is could this be caused by not lowering the hands at setup? (ie, Is that what you mean by "digging the toe of the club into the ground"?
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TGGS
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Posted - 07/28/2008 : 16:13:53
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If you choke down on the club - then need to lower your hands, if you don't choke down (on a pitch) - no need to lower hands.
Fat shots:
1. Casting - or releasing early
2. Rocking forward or laterally sliding during the shot - make sure and keep your head still and your weight centered if not back.. if you slide forward - will promote fat/heavy shots.
Tim Graves, PGA
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sgolf1214
32 Posts |
Posted - 07/28/2008 : 18:02:31
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Thanks Tim,
I am choking down an inch or two, so will use this as a checkpoint to lower hands slightly.
In an effort to get my hands ahead of the ball at impact, I think that I might have been rocking forward as you mentioned in #2. Will focus on keeping head still and staying centered. Thanks again.
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xterra9251
13 Posts |
Posted - 07/30/2008 : 19:39:53
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Tim,
I'm a little confused you said that the setup for the pitch and chip shot is not single axis, if not how do you grip the club for these shots?
It has been assumed by me that all shots are using the same grip and setup.
Any clarification would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance
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TGGS
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USA
1919 Posts |
Posted - 07/30/2008 : 23:18:31
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Grip is the same - single axis set up is different for the chip.
With pitching - you still line up with the lead arm and with the lower half of the trail arm (as with single axis normal set up).
When you chip - it is suggested you choke down on the club for club head control and better feel - that is when you need to drop the hands slightly down to make up for the lie angle of the club...
Tim Graves, PGA
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psomers
20 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2008 : 15:42:19
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If you would like to retain single axis setup for choked down chips, rotate the club counter-clockwise to compensate for toe down club head. I've read several short game instructors suggest this especially from the ruff. Helps keep the hosel from catching and turning club head. Basically use your putter grip and putt with iron.
Paul |
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TGGS
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USA
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Posted - 08/04/2008 : 17:11:27
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This is incorrect - you never rotate the club - your face remains square to your target and you DO NOT want a putting stroke as this type of stroke may work from very thin to no rough, but not any rough that is mid to deep - the club will not cut through this rough.
Tim Graves, PGA
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psomers
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Posted - 08/05/2008 : 11:54:13
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Tim I know you know your stuff as I am just a 69 year old duffer. I thought any time you raise the shaft up it caused the club face to look right. To compensate I would think you would need to rotate a little left. Very similar to ball below feet shot.
By coincide one of the seniors on "The Golf Channel" last night suggested that very thing with a 9 iron just off the green. I guess where I made a mistake is suggesting out of ruff. I didn't mean that 6"deep stuff you see on US Open.
Love this site. Have learned a lot from you, Todd and posters.
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