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TGGS
Administrator
USA
1904 Posts |
 Posted - 12/04/2004 : 10:11:17
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I have been getting alot of emails and calls lately (in the past week) about students wanting to change their clubs to fit the single axis swing. And to be honest, I have heard alot of MISS INFORMATION that I am sure is causing alot of problems with fitting clubs. I am going to talk about this in this month's etip, but wanted to get out a little earlier as I think many may be buying or building clubs right now (maybe Christmas, maybe because hitting balls has slowed down due to winter months and decided time to tinker with clubs..)
#1. The club for the single axis swing IS NOT (and I repeat NOT) more upright (lie angle) than a conventional club.
Reason - this may have been true 3 or 4 years ago, but most if not all manufactorers irons are more upright now than the past.
Examples (lie angle) (listed 5 irons):
1. Callaway: 2000: Standard 59.5*, 2004 Standard: 62.3*
2. Titleist: 2001: Standard 59*, 2004 Standard: 62*
Here are a few of today's standard lie angles:
Callaway: 62.3*
Titleist: 62*
Ping (Black Eye): 61.75*
McGregor: 62*
Cobra: 62.5*
Natural Golf: 62*
Taylormade: 61*
If you take a standard club off the shelf (what 95% of clubs that are on the shelf are built to) and bend 2* upright as many say you should, your club will not fit - not even close.
This has cost alot of golfers $ as they get a club that is way too upright and must replace as many clubs you can not bend enough back.
2. The lie angle is dependent of height vs. arm length. Not everyone is the same - not even close. We have tables and standards for this. Couple of examples:
Moe - 5 ft 7 inches tall - wrist to floor 32 inches - lie angle: 59*
Todd - 5 ft 9 inches tall - wrist to floor 34 inches - lie angle: 60*
Tim - 5 ft 10 inches tall - wrist to floor 34 inches - lie angle: 60.5*
Please, please, please, please let us give you a recommend lie before you build a set of clubs or purchase....
3. Length of club is also variable of height vs arm length. The length does not change as much as lie angle as you just have a different angle to the ball, but distance will remain the same. There is some variations and need to know those before you build or purchase.
Example. 6 ft tall individual with average length arms: 5 iron graphite 38.5 inches, steel: 38 inches.
4. Grip size: VERY IMPORTANT - determined by hand size. THE SAME GRIP DOES NOT FIT EVERYONE. Even if you use the non tappered grips - they may need to be stretched or built up accordingly.
Example: Medium Large or 7 3/4 inch hand size - Mid Size grip with 4 underwraps lower hand, 2 underwraps upper hand.
Point to remember here - MUCH BETTER too small than too large. Too large will inhibit the release of your swing because it does not allow for proper pressure points in the swing.
5. Flex of club is determined by how far you hit shots or club head speed. Need right flex to get right launch angle on your clubs so you can hit to maximized distance. This is true for all irons and woods.
Ex. 100 mph with driver (230 ball fly) is a stiff flex.
90 mph with driver (210 ball fly) is regular...
Let us help you determine shaft flex - critical to good ball striking.
Don't just get something off the rack or build something to standard.. this is like buying a shoe that is the model shoe (one that doesn't fit, but on top off all the boxes..). Make SURE your clubs fit you...
Tim
GGA
timg@swinglikemoe.com
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Edited by - TGGS on 12/04/2004 10:13:48 |
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Hud411
USA
70 Posts |
Posted - 01/23/2005 : 07:58:52
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| Tim, I may have missed this in an earlier post, but, which drivers have a square face? Do any of the component companies offer a square faced driver? I would welcome anyone's response to this! Thanks , Hud |
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david olson
USA
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Posted - 05/21/2005 : 03:12:13
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| i am 6' 2" 1/2 and my wrist is 36 and a half inches from the floor wirh shoes what length shaft and lie would be correct for me? I was told on e inch over and 2 degree upright by the pro shop but thet are not familar with natural golf. I hit clubs with those specs and they felt great but I have just switched to natural golf and am still adjusting any recommendations out there? |
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JurgenS
USA
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Posted - 11/02/2005 : 19:32:57
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Tim and Todd thanks for the school and getting me into new Irons. Sort of made Pat a little mad Had a hole in one on Sunday with new 9 Iron 122 Yd. Par 3 Diana has received her new driver but I have not received mine yet has it been ordered plese let me know.
Diana wants to come to your school next year if you have it in Cal keep us posted. Working on the swing as much as i can am slowly improving thanks again Jurgen |
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Counselor
USA
61 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2005 : 18:46:27
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I have a ML grip size. If I am correct, I should use a mid-size grip w/ 3 extra wraps on tone on the top. Using Golf Pride midsize Tour Velvets, the grips appear to be larger than the St110 grips, but somewhat smaller than the original NG grips. Should the "Graves grip" be that much larger than a standard grip, and close in size to the NG grips?
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Counselor
USA
61 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2005 : 07:22:23
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| Should read 3 extra wraps on bottom, 1 extra wrap on top. Thanks. |
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TGGS
Administrator
USA
1904 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2005 : 10:12:14
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A typical mid size grip with 3 extra wraps lower hand and 1 on the upper should be smaller than all NG grips (new and old). There may be some versions of mid size grips out there bigger than others, but the typical mid size grip (we tyically use the golf pride tour wrap mid size) are smaller. You might also look into the Winn #7 or #6 grips - good for sizing and with the #7, don't have to build up.
Tim
GGA
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Pars4Bob
USA
714 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2005 : 10:18:21
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Guys,
A big advantage of buying from Tim and Todd is you don't need to get unwanted irons like I had to off the shelf. The clubs fit but I have a 3 and 4 iron I'll never use plus I had to buy a GW, SW & LW. Iron sets off the shelf are 3-PW because the golf infidels think they can hit 3 or 4 irons when they should be using a fairway wood or hybrid that are much easier to hit. |
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hoopsdoc
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Posted - 01/22/2006 : 23:52:34
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Hello all, newbie here.
I was wondering, how can I determine what the lie angle is on the irons I already have? I have a set of Callaway Big Bertha's that are about 5 years old. I bought them from my brother, so I really don't have any info on them, other than the brand.
Also, I was wondering how I could get a recommendation on what the lie angle should be for me.
Thanks in advance for any help. |
The wise man has eyes in his head while the fool walks in darkness; but I came to realize that the same fate overtakes them both. Eccle. 2:14 |
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Leo
Canada
568 Posts |
Posted - 01/23/2006 : 06:16:14
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From this web site: http://www.callawaygolf.com/en.cg.ClassicClubs.BigBerthaIrons1996.specs-1.html
1996 Big Bertha Irons
Loft Lie Length
1 16° 58.5° 40
2 18.5° 59.2° 39.5
3 21° 59.9° 39
4 23.5° 60.6° 38.5
5 26° 61.3° 38
6 29° 62° 37.5
7 33° 62.5° 37
8 37.5° 63.5° 36.5
9 42° 64.5° 36
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Hoping for success without hard work is like trying to harvest without planting. |
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hoopsdoc
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Posted - 01/23/2006 : 12:07:22
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quote:
Originally posted by Leo
From this web site: http://www.callawaygolf.com/en.cg.ClassicClubs.BigBerthaIrons1996.specs-1.html
1996 Big Bertha Irons
Loft Lie Length
1 16° 58.5° 40
2 18.5° 59.2° 39.5
3 21° 59.9° 39
4 23.5° 60.6° 38.5
5 26° 61.3° 38
6 29° 62° 37.5
7 33° 62.5° 37
8 37.5° 63.5° 36.5
9 42° 64.5° 36
Thanks. Those are definitely my clubs. I didn't realize you could get that info online.
Thanks again. |
The wise man has eyes in his head while the fool walks in darkness; but I came to realize that the same fate overtakes them both. Eccle. 2:14 |
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rmoulton
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Posted - 02/17/2006 : 18:08:10
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| what do people think of the NG ST 110 irons---I am thinking about buying a set |
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TGGS
Administrator
USA
1904 Posts |
Posted - 02/17/2006 : 21:29:01
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Too long, too upright, too light, unless your hand size is 8" ++ grip is too big, and too expensive for the quality.
But that is my opinion...
Tim
GGA
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Edited by - TGGS on 02/17/2006 21:29:43 |
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Scott_R
Administrator
USA
2078 Posts |
Posted - 02/17/2006 : 22:52:34
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rmooulton,
You can get a LOT better club custom fit to you for about 1/2 the money. I agree with Tim. |
Scott R.
GGA Director of Customer Relations
scottr@swinglikemoe.com |
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singaporeswinger
Singapore
11 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2006 : 00:08:04
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Guys,
Sorry if this question was posed earlier somewhere, but intution would tell me that if anything, one who has been swinging with a more traditional swing and thus coming into the ball a bit more upright and "down" on the ball, would need to possibly adjust the lie of the club a lower or less upright, due to the generally longer extended arms from chest in the set up (vs. conventional swing set up). Am i missing something ? In general, does one have to adjust the lie of most irons for golfer learning the SA coming from, and having clubs fit for, a more conventional swing or if they fit for the CS are they usually ok for the SA swing ? |
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Swobe
USA
34 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2006 : 16:03:48
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| I currently have Ping green dot (2 degrees upright) and after hitting in the store off a board this seems to best fit my swing based on the tale of the tape. When I get new irons I plan on sticking with two degrees upright. I am 5'11. I shoul d add that my current irons are ten years old. Are you saying that new irons are more upright than old irons, i.e. a green dot of today is more upright than my ten year old green dots? Based on the hitting board the green dot seemed better than the black dot. Maybe it's not tha arrow but the indian??? |
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