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johnpritch
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 10/31/2009 : 13:17:36
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Hi Todd and Tim
I've just joined the knowmoe site and am waiting for the training club and overview dvd to arrive here in Wales in the UK. I've been watching a lot of the past webinars - which are brilliant by the way. I have 2 questions: 1. in Todd's backswing, the elbow fold seems to produce a right arm bend greater than 90 degrees (in other words the arm is really folded up). Is this the case or have I misinterpreted this? Most conventional stuff asks you to keep the arm from folding up this much to create width, which always feels awkward to me. 2. In a down the line view of Moe's address position, the clubhead (lying some inches behind the ball) seems to be on the target line. I'd have thought that it would have been inside - sort of on the arc of the take away if he'd addressed it with the clubhead right up close behind the ball. Also, in this position, is the clubface open to the target line given that the clubhead is quite a distance behind the ball and in line with the left arm when viewed from front on?
Thanks
John
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Toddg
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 10/31/2009 : 15:09:30
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Hello John,
In Moe's swing, the right elbow must fold. Width is a function of proper right arm and left arm position and wrist hinge. You must fold your right arm.
The club must be actually slightly on the heel of the golf club at address (from down the line) due to the downward bending of the shaft into impact. Never place the club to the inside of the ball which narrows the arms into the body.
The club should be square to the target when it is placed behind the ball.
Todd.
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johnpritch
United Kingdom
14 Posts |
Posted - 11/01/2009 : 05:43:59
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Hi Todd
Brilliant - thanks for the very prompt response. May I say that I love your swing. It was the athletic look of your swing in a youtube video that attracted me to your site. Played a lot of rugby and martial arts as a kid and am lucky enough to have just retired at the ripe old age of 60 (still pretty fit but not very flexible). Been playing ten years and currently have an 8 handicap. Got down to 6 a few years ago but lord knows how. We have an easy, short, wide open course - perhaps that's the reason! Have always had distance but really struggle with consistency and accuracy - so I NEED what you teach!
I was just having a go at the 1.5 drill and am interested in the weight distribution in the rear foot through impact - does it move to the toe area (front) of the back foot or is it still even from toe to heel? Should this be in another thread?
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Golf4Fun
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 19:16:41
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I am also a new member and am waiting for the training club and overview dvd. I was drawn to your site last week because I experience lower back pain after I complete a round, and I'm very interested in better shot making (namely being more consistent, especially off the tee). I've gone to the range three times and played using the new swing for the first time today (shot 84 - my index is 12.7). The question I have is the same as John's second question. I'm not sure the response addressed the question. When I take my address position, the club face is a new inches behind the ball and slightly to the inside along the backswing arc. Also when I look at the clubface, it is open to the target line due to my left arm and club forming the 'rod' and with the club handle in line with the left hip (pivot point). Am I doing this correctly?
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Jack Lane
USA
245 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2009 : 05:28:26
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| The club is always square to the target line. Being new to the site, check out the Q&A's and do a search on the topics. Many of the questions have been answered many times which is a tremendous help in learning to swing like Moe. Also, the photographs and videos available free on this forum are sometimes priceless. Of course, knowmoe.com is also available for a fee and has a tremendous amount of information. Enjoy the journey! |
Jack
"If I woulda hit it harder, I woulda missed it closer." |
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johnpritch
United Kingdom
14 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2009 : 15:47:58
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Thanks Jack - but just like Mike, I struggle (genuinely - not being perverse) to see how, if
1. the left arm makes a straight line with the shaft from the left shoulder
2. the clubhead is anywhere to the right of the left shoulder
3. the body is lined up square
the face can possibly be square to the target line. It must surely be open to the target line even if the clubhead lies on the target line behind the ball. Any help appreciated.
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edmp
USA
1514 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2009 : 17:17:11
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Guys,
See if this helps,makes sense. Todd said"the club should be square to target line when placed behind the ball." At setup you place the club under your nose, that can be several inches away from the ball depending on the club(wedges vs driver etc.) As you go away from the ball your club moves in an arc. If you move the club to right behind the ball it will,should be square to target line. As it moves away it appears open but if grip etc. are correct it is square RIGHT BEHIND THE BALL. Hopes this helps.
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rustyredcab
USA
641 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2009 : 17:42:34
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"1. the left arm makes a straight line with the shaft from the left shoulder
2. the clubhead is anywhere to the right of the left shoulder
3. the body is lined up square"
I think the issue may be with #3 -- "the body is lined up square."
Here's what I think is correct (those smarter than me chime in) -- The shoulders are slightly closed at address. Paraphrasing Moe, you have already started your backswing. Check out the video of Todd and Moe from down the line and you will see the trail shoulder is already into the turn a little bit. That is how you can have a straight lead arm, see both arms from down the line, have the clubhead behind the ball (and just a touch outside the target line), and the club face be square. Feet and hips are square. Actually, trail foot is very slightly back of square.
Hope this is less confusing to see than it is to write down. Try and study a down the line video.
Russ
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Jack Lane
USA
245 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2009 : 20:13:02
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| The club points about two inches beside the naval towards the lead hip which is the pivot point. You maybe pointing the club to far toward the hip and missing the pivot point. Todd does a video that explains how this works correctly pointing to the pivot point not to the hip. If you are gripping the left hand correctly, pointing the club to the pivot point, the clubface will be square to the target line everytime. Your clubhead should be under your chin at setup and your lead shoulder is closed to the target. The club is normally at rest about 2 inches for wedges up to 12 inches for drivers behind the ball. Because of body mechanics with hip rotation, shoulder rotation, and skipping the rock motion, etc. The clubhead will come back facing the target at impact. Weak explanation but it is all explained in many of the training tools available free and for purchase. |
Jack
"If I woulda hit it harder, I woulda missed it closer." |
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johnpritch
United Kingdom
14 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2009 : 14:50:52
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Big thank you to Chuck, Russ and Jack for your ideas and your willingness to help. I've always been disappointed to see on video what another forum called "pop out" on my backswing - which means taking the club outside to start with and then I was flipping it back over with my wrist set to get to the top. I recently noticed (on a range with good mirrors behind) that my shoulders were open at address so it was hard not to start the club back outside! I tried squaring them or even feeling that they were slightly closed at address and couldn't seem to hit a bad shot, that night anyway. I'll pay close attention to your points and see how it goes.
Thanks again.
John
PS - any views on my right foot at impact question in a previous post on this thread would be very much appreciated. |
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nwnatural
USA
555 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2009 : 18:40:03
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John, I assume you are asking about weight distribution. Todd will probably chime in with actual numbers. But at address weight favors lead foot, then moves to about even on back swing the at impact mostly on lead foot again, more so than at address. Do a search on weight distribution and perhaps you will get the numbers. Welcome to the best golf forum around and to the GGA community.
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Hal
2007 Moe Memorial #3
GGA Alumni
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johnpritch
United Kingdom
14 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2009 : 08:49:04
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Thanks Hal - I wasn't aware of those facts so that's very interesting to me. The other thing I was interested in is the weight distribution in the right foot itself at impact. I understand that the right foot stays on the ground as the club goes through the ball. Is the weight even from ball of the foot to heel or does it favour the toe as the club goes through the ball? If it's even along the length of the foot, does it favour the inside edge of the foot, etc.?
It is so nice to be a part of a forum where your existence is acknowledged and people are gracious enough to share their knowledge.
John |
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nwnatural
USA
555 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2009 : 10:48:15
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I believe that Todd has stated that the weight is on the inside of the trail foot at impact. If you look at a video of Todd, I am amazed as how his trail foot will stay down not only through impact but until after he completes his follow through. I don't want to speak for Todd, so perhaps he will chime in. By the way look at this post http://fuzz2moe.forumco.com/topic~TOPIC_ID~8873.asp
to see minimoe's swing. You will see how the trail foot is bent so that the weight is on the inside, Britt actually drags that foot as he completes his backswing. Very powerful in my mind. |
Hal
2007 Moe Memorial #3
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johnpritch
United Kingdom
14 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2009 : 11:45:06
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Thanks Hal - much appreciated.
John |
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Geo
USA
304 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2009 : 13:24:06
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I thought that video showed a major flaw. He WAS USING 2 CLUBS!!!!!   |
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