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AverageGolfer

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Posted - 12/03/2004 :  23:43:54  Show Profile Send AverageGolfer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
In one of the articles I read about Moe, he mentioned that he found a new way to putt, and that he actually was pretty good at it. If I remember correctly, he said putting was now the best part of his game. Todd-Tim, can you enlighten?

Mojo23
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Posted - 12/04/2004 :  01:10:51  Show Profile Send Mojo23 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You are referring to an article in the latest NG magazine.
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TGGS
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USA
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Posted - 12/04/2004 :  09:14:47  Show Profile Send TGGS a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Interesting article.

There are some very good points and similar to what we teach.
1. Eyes over the ball - crucial to good putting as it develops a better pendelum type stroke as the club is now under your shoulders.
2. Squatting a little - very good as it is the way to get the eyes over the ball and a much better balanced position.
3. Working on ball placement - I strongly suggest to keep the ball in the middle to forward of stance. Never back.
4. Putting is INDIVIDUALISTIC.... the best part. The key to putting and what we ALWAYS teach is to set up with a square putter face to the intended target and to return the square putter face at impact.

This may seem easy, but just ask the students who have been to a camp and used the laser alignmment tool how many were square the first time? Even the best players in the world have to work daily on squaring their putter face to the intended line.

The issue with an open to close stroke is not an easy stroke. This a more of a Ben Crenshaw type stroke and one the requires perfect timing and the perfect same ball position each time. It is a stroke that has alot more room for error than a square to square type stroke (that Moe used most of his life).

Square to square the has in inward arc in the backswing and throughswing when the shoulders reach the extent of rocking and start turning is the most popular and common way that the best putters in the world putt today.

Tim
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Leo



Canada
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Posted - 12/04/2004 :  10:07:33  Show Profile Send Leo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Tim, your totally confused me. could you repeat that please.

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TGGS
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Posted - 12/04/2004 :  10:19:26  Show Profile Send TGGS a Private Message  Reply with Quote
What do you mean Leo? What do you want repeated?

Tim
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Leo



Canada
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Posted - 12/04/2004 :  14:24:20  Show Profile Send Leo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TGGS

Interesting article.

The issue with an open to close stroke is not an easy stroke. This a more of a Ben Crenshaw type stroke and one the requires perfect timing and the perfect same ball position each time. It is a stroke that has alot more room for error than a square to square type stroke (that Moe used most of his life).


I think this is the barn door type stroke where the putter swings on an arc. If it is not an easy stroke and requires perfect timing and ball position why does it have "a lot more room for error"?

quote:

Square to square the has in inward arc in the backswing and throughswing when the shoulders reach the extent of rocking and start turning is the most popular and common way that the best putters in the world putt today.


Square to square to me is the straight back and straight through stroke that pelz teaches and does not have an inwared arc. As I understand it anyway. The original question was why Moe was putting better. You said that he was at the end using the Ben Crenshaw stroke whereas earlier he used the square to square stroke which "the best putters" use. The way I understand your response there seems to be a contradiction. I assume that I am misunderstanding what you said.

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Mojo23
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Posted - 12/04/2004 :  21:27:42  Show Profile Send Mojo23 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Leo -

Since I have nothing to do tonight, do you mind if I take shot at it? :)

I think Tim was pointing out the things in the article that they happen to agree with which are point 1 through 4. I think the part that was confusing is that he goes on to immediately talk about the problem with the "barn door" method you mentioned. The "barn door" method is what Moe was using in the article so Tim was pointing out that this method requires great timing in order to be effective. After this he mentioned that the inward arc method (which is not what Moe was using) is the preferred method from the best putters in the world.

Anyway, that is the way I read it. :)

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TGGS
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Posted - 12/04/2004 :  22:07:05  Show Profile Send TGGS a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Mojo -

You read it correct.

Points 1 - 4 are what we teach and agree with. The "barn door" or open to close stroke is VERY difficult and not easily repeatable.

Tim
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SteveNG



USA
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Posted - 12/05/2004 :  07:53:50  Show Profile Send SteveNG a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Leo,

To more specifically address your two points of confusion:

1. I think Tim is using the term "room for error" to mean "opportunity for error" rather than "margin of error".

2. For longer putts with the "square-to-square" style, there is some arc at the beginning and end of the stroke, since the range of shoulder rocking motion is limited, and there must be some arc to get the club back further than is possible with shoulder rock alone.

Your source of confusion is probably the difference between Canadian and 'Merkin English :)

Steve
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Stryker



USA
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Posted - 12/05/2004 :  21:12:12  Show Profile Send Stryker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Geez Guys!!

I WILL NOT mess with my putting stroke (Fingers in ears, singing loudly, eyes closed tightly)!

You want to mess with it, so be it.

Curt

"With a Rebel Yell, They Cried 'MOE, MOE, MOE'!!"
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