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teeitup


USA
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Posted - 07/16/2007 :  21:10:03  Show Profile Send teeitup a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've tried something new and shaved 5 shots off my round two weeks ago and then an additional three this week. Once I'm at the top of the back swing, I've stopped trying to generate swing speed by throwing my arms down the swing plane and just started crunching my right side. Sounds funny, but think of the parts: When crunching the right side, your hip has to go somewhere, so it slides out of the way which makes your left knee bend over your left toes. Your head then stays over your right knee. Your right elbow has room to get in front of your right hip. Your right shoulder is delayed in turning so you don't come over the top. These are the positions I've been trying to make myself get into, and now they're happening because they just have to.

I've heard someone wright about the feeling of the "skipping a stone" throwing motion and I now feel it with this crunch. I've also heard of Moe's, "Vertical Drop", which I think I'm translating as my right side, "Crunch", feeling. Am I out on an Island here, or has someone else had this breakthrough? Either way, My six iron now flies thirty feet higher and twenty yds longer, and although it doesn't help the score, it feels great to finally blow by the hole on the second shot on a long par four.

edmp



USA
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Posted - 07/16/2007 :  21:24:52  Show Profile  Visit edmp's Homepage Send edmp a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Please explain what you mean by crunching?
Thanks,
Chuck
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teeitup



USA
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Posted - 07/16/2007 :  22:42:27  Show Profile Send teeitup a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm glad you asked, and I just spent five minutes standing in front of a mirror making this move so I could decribe it better for you.

First and foremost, it's not as though I'm at the top of my back swing and I just bend the right side. That would change my spine angle,change the distance of my left shoulder to the ball, and move my head back and away from the ball. Think of it more this way. My straight left arm does not move across my chest to initiate the down swing. The first movement is the right elbow that's in the waiter holding the tray posistion (on plane of course)slides towards the front of the right hip. This action is initiated by a flexing of the right side stomach muscles. Almost like there's a spring you're compressing between your right side stomach muscles and the right elbow and that spring is pushing against your core causing you to slide to the left. You're now in that last posistion of the PVC drill where the club shaft is parallel with the ground and is in alignment with the two balls coming from the inside rather than over the top and your about to release the angle in your right elbow. Your wrist angles at this point haven't moved since the top of the back swing. The only thing left is to continue through the swing allowing the right elbow angle to release when inertia takes over as with the right wrist which will now release late in the swing all on it's own, releasing that power like snaping a wet towel. So, once again I ask, Am I out in left field in this, or am I onto something?

Thank you for taking the time to read this.
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Wells_M



USA
204 Posts

Posted - 07/17/2007 :  08:07:04  Show Profile Send Wells_M a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think this is what happened for me after not hitting a ball for 3 weeks but doing the PVC drill 60 times a day for that three weeks. My feeling is simply that my right elbow is moving in front of my right hip on the downswing. I guess I am crunching my abdominal musculature, but I don't really sense that. My thoughts are "elbow back" on the backswing and "elbow front" on the downswing.

This has led to crisper shots. Still not consistently but definitely better and more encouraging.

Look forward to this weekend in Kitchener.

Wells
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Stryker



USA
614 Posts

Posted - 07/19/2007 :  09:49:39  Show Profile Send Stryker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Teeitup,

I know what you're feeling and try to affect that myself, although not successful all the time. It also feels like the muscles along the left side of my torso stretch a little. The feelings helps me with the 'vertical drop' and 'right elbow in' moves.

Curt

"With a Rebel Yell, They Cried 'MOE, MOE, MOE'!!"
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PapaDave



USA
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Posted - 07/20/2007 :  17:23:29  Show Profile Send PapaDave a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You are NOT on an island. But I love the way you have described a sensation that others have experienced in a completely different way (of expression).

Like you, I had the same "breakthrough" but I could only describe it as "trail elbow into the love handle," which in my case, is sadly an ample piece of flesh. Still, "crunching" or "elbowing" helps me stay on plane, preventing the chicken wing steepness I suffered from, and forces me to turn far enough on the way back, to swing on path through the ball.

Failing to "crunch" or "elbow" in my case invariably produces shots which fly to the left, not hooked, but pulled. It also results in thin and fat shots and sometimes even the dreaded "sh__k." (Just can't bring myself to write the word).

Happily, most of that is in the past and I am closing in on my goal of single digit HC by the fall (at 11 now).

I would add that on longer clubs, in your words, I crunch then seperate, then crunch again at the beginning of the downswing (Vertical drop?). On short irons, I crunch going back, and stay in contact throughout.

To you and your unique way of describing this helpful feeling, I say, "Happy Crunching!"

PapaDave
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HeyMoe



USA
369 Posts

Posted - 07/23/2007 :  13:41:41  Show Profile Send HeyMoe a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Teeitup,
No man is (on)an island, so to speak. Just to be sure you have the right feeling and the right move, you should send Todd a video and let him tell you if you are doing it right.
I would love to be able to feel something like yourself and know that it is the right feeling. Good luck, I hope you got it right. HeyMoe
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brickman



USA
245 Posts

Posted - 07/23/2007 :  16:54:38  Show Profile Send brickman a Private Message  Reply with Quote
What happens if you don't crunch but instead you have an elbow that is away from the body on the downswing? Also, do you brush the elbow against your 50's belly on the backswing also? I'm trying to understand this a little better.
Mike

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brickman



USA
245 Posts

Posted - 07/24/2007 :  06:23:36  Show Profile Send brickman a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Papa Dave,

What you explained intrigues me. The "chicken wing steepness" you mention is something I have been fighting. I think that is what is causing me to be "off-plane" and hit a variety of bad shts including pulls, fat and thin shots and other lousy results. I seem to crumble under the pressure of such poor shots when I play. Any advice you can give me on how to work on this and what to concentrate on? Also, you said you crunch in contact throughout on short shots and crunch, separate and crunch again on long irons. Why the difference? Thanks!!! Mike
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PapaDave



USA
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Posted - 07/24/2007 :  08:25:37  Show Profile Send PapaDave a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I had somewhat of a breakthrough after watching the latest DVD. For me, keeping that elbow close to (or touching) by side helps prevent steepness. The shorter the club, the easier it is for me to get steep. With driver and longer clubs, my swing seems to be wider and therefore there is a brieg seperation at the top.

My improvement, using "elbow" or "crunch," I now realize was mostly a way to stabilize my spine angle, maintaining the "tilted triangle" that GGA teaches. Keeping my head and spine under control has enabled me to rotate the trunk of my body in response to what my arms and shoulders are doing.

Lastly, for some unknown reason, I had allowed my trail hand to creep up on top of the club (weaken) and was preventing a non-rotational "straight line motion" into impact. Getting that trail hand back where it was supposed to be (Training grip & club) fixed that (for now).

Hope this helps. I'll keep on trying. Golf sure is more fun when you're good/great shots outnumber the bad ones.

PapaDave
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brickman



USA
245 Posts

Posted - 07/24/2007 :  10:04:25  Show Profile Send brickman a Private Message  Reply with Quote
PapaDave,

Thanks for the response and insight. It sounds very similar to problems I have been having. You are defintely right, golf is more fun when your good shots outnumber the bad ones.
Regards.
Mike
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teeitup



USA
5 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2007 :  19:41:37  Show Profile Send teeitup a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Brickman and PapaDave...Thank you for your responses.
This golf thing just keeps getting more fun the lower the score goes. I must add that my slap shot in ice hockey has greatly improved after this improvement in my golf swing. Slap shot mechanics are different, but similar in concept, to a golf swing.I believe there is a mental aspect to consider beyond this mechanical improvement. If you trust that the swing will be there, you can truely focus on the desired results.

I played the site of the 1967 PGA Championship this past week. Playing a professional course demands increadible focus and to play it takes 100% focus on your target leaving no time for multiple swing thoughts. I can still picture in my minds eye a single grain of sand one inch behind the ball from a sand shot during this round. I didn't just randomly aim one inch behind, but picked out the exact grain of sand I wanted to hit. This focus didn't allow other swing thoughts during the swing. The results; I hit three green side sand shots during the day an only four putts to follow those shots.

When you practice, work on one thing at a time giving your entire focus to what's being worked on.

When playing the game, just focus on your the desired results and trust that the swing will be there from the practice you put into it.

Hey - How did I get on this soap box anyway?

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Counselor

USA
68 Posts

Posted - 09/13/2007 :  20:59:52  Show Profile Send Counselor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I had the greatest difficulty moving the club into the third position-in front of the trail hip. I believe that part of the problem is the NG teaching of virtually no rotation. When I took a lesson from Todd, I was amazed at how much turn actually occurs. I was slow to accept this concept, however, and I have been very inconsistent of late, including bouts with the shanks.

I finally convinced myself that a proper shoulder turn is necessary, and discovered how much easier it is to get to position 3 when you turned. I then reviewed this site again for vertical drop input, and rediscovered the crunch post. I now understand this post and movement, and believe that this feeling is consistent with having the club move into the slot. I am only 3 days into this most recent discovery, but feel that it assists in the correct movement of the club.

Is there any additional feedback or followup on this move from the earlier posts? As an aside, it has not helped my slapshot, as I shoot left but golf right!
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