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| TGGS |
Posted - 12/04/2004 : 10:11:17
I have been getting alot of emails and calls lately (in the past week) about students wanting to change their clubs to fit the single axis swing. And to be honest, I have heard alot of MISS INFORMATION that I am sure is causing alot of problems with fitting clubs. I am going to talk about this in this month's etip, but wanted to get out a little earlier as I think many may be buying or building clubs right now (maybe Christmas, maybe because hitting balls has slowed down due to winter months and decided time to tinker with clubs..)
#1. The club for the single axis swing IS NOT (and I repeat NOT) more upright (lie angle) than a conventional club.
Reason - this may have been true 3 or 4 years ago, but most if not all manufactorers irons are more upright now than the past.
Examples (lie angle) (listed 5 irons):
1. Callaway: 2000: Standard 59.5*, 2004 Standard: 62.3*
2. Titleist: 2001: Standard 59*, 2004 Standard: 62*
Here are a few of today's standard lie angles:
Callaway: 62.3*
Titleist: 62*
Ping (Black Eye): 61.75*
McGregor: 62*
Cobra: 62.5*
Natural Golf: 62*
Taylormade: 61*
If you take a standard club off the shelf (what 95% of clubs that are on the shelf are built to) and bend 2* upright as many say you should, your club will not fit - not even close.
This has cost alot of golfers $ as they get a club that is way too upright and must replace as many clubs you can not bend enough back.
2. The lie angle is dependent of height vs. arm length. Not everyone is the same - not even close. We have tables and standards for this. Couple of examples:
Moe - 5 ft 7 inches tall - wrist to floor 32 inches - lie angle: 59*
Todd - 5 ft 9 inches tall - wrist to floor 34 inches - lie angle: 60*
Tim - 5 ft 10 inches tall - wrist to floor 34 inches - lie angle: 60.5*
Please, please, please, please let us give you a recommend lie before you build a set of clubs or purchase....
3. Length of club is also variable of height vs arm length. The length does not change as much as lie angle as you just have a different angle to the ball, but distance will remain the same. There is some variations and need to know those before you build or purchase.
Example. 6 ft tall individual with average length arms: 5 iron graphite 38.5 inches, steel: 38 inches.
4. Grip size: VERY IMPORTANT - determined by hand size. THE SAME GRIP DOES NOT FIT EVERYONE. Even if you use the non tappered grips - they may need to be stretched or built up accordingly.
Example: Medium Large or 7 3/4 inch hand size - Mid Size grip with 4 underwraps lower hand, 2 underwraps upper hand.
Point to remember here - MUCH BETTER too small than too large. Too large will inhibit the release of your swing because it does not allow for proper pressure points in the swing.
5. Flex of club is determined by how far you hit shots or club head speed. Need right flex to get right launch angle on your clubs so you can hit to maximized distance. This is true for all irons and woods.
Ex. 100 mph with driver (230 ball fly) is a stiff flex.
90 mph with driver (210 ball fly) is regular...
Let us help you determine shaft flex - critical to good ball striking.
Don't just get something off the rack or build something to standard.. this is like buying a shoe that is the model shoe (one that doesn't fit, but on top off all the boxes..). Make SURE your clubs fit you...
Tim
GGA
timg@swinglikemoe.com
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| GBroering |
Posted - 02/05/2008 : 07:24:04
Why would you want a 4I shaft in a lob wedge.
I would not have any control over my lob wedge with a shaft that long.
Put a 40" shaft in your driver and you will have more control, thats what keeps the ball in the fairway.
Gary |
| fxdlhog |
Posted - 02/05/2008 : 00:29:49
does anyone have any thoughts on single length irons. seems like a good idea but not sure. thanks Wayne |
| thinkin3 |
Posted - 09/26/2007 : 15:55:52
Thanks, Tim. I thought about that shortly after posting and filled out the info. I'm waiting for an email now. I would really like to continue using my Clevelands if I can make the correct adjustments. Thanks again.
Jerry |
| TGGS |
Posted - 09/26/2007 : 11:46:31
Please submit your specifications on our free club fitting form (on our website www.swinglikemoe.com) and will be happy to email you recommendations. Length, lie angle, grip size, shaft flex, set make up, etc..
Tim Graves, PGA
timg@swinglikemoe.com |
| thinkin3 |
Posted - 09/26/2007 : 08:44:15
I have a set of Cleveland CG2 irons, standard length and lie. I know I can change the lie easily enough as they are carbon steel and I know the size I need for grips but what about the lenth? Does the length need to be longer the way NG says? I really like these clubs and would like to keep them. I am 5-10, wear a ML-Cadet glove and measure 35" wrist to floor. Thanks for your help.
Jerry |
| moestyle |
Posted - 06/03/2007 : 06:14:43
Ok I guess a golf pro would have to help me with calculating lie angle on the other irons then, from knowing the 5 iron they might work out the angle on the other clubs somehow?
59* might not fit me, but I'd like to try it to see.. |
| TGGS |
Posted - 06/02/2007 : 21:42:00
59* lie angle was on his 5 iron - rest were set accordingly. Like any other set - lie angles different with different length clubs.
NOT everyone should use a 59* lie angle - that is based on height vs. arm length.
Tim
GGA
timg@swinglikemoe.com |
| moestyle |
Posted - 06/02/2007 : 20:09:59
Nice. Do you know if Moe used the 59 degree lie angle on all his irons, if not could you type out the differet lie angle for all the irons that Moe used ?
Thanks!
p.s. I've changed my lie angle 2.5 degrees flatter, but they still seem too upright to me. I need to stand closer to the ball for them to fit, but then I have shanked the ball from time to time. |
| TGGS |
Posted - 05/30/2007 : 09:22:26
More than happy to help you with recommended specifications - you can fill out questions and submit to us on line at:
http://swinglikemoe.com/index.php?customernumber=114737972803189&pr=Free_Club_Fitting&=SID
www.swinglikemoe.com and click on free club fitting.
Tim Graves, PGA
timg@swinglikemoe.com |
| Hitman1970 |
Posted - 05/30/2007 : 06:46:08
Hello,
I am a left handed golfer who current owns a set original Pipeline irons from NG. I have 3-SW in the set. I normally carry 6-PW,GW,SW, and History Stick, grahpite regular flex. They have regular flex graphite (Not NG shafts). I have the NG ST Hammer driver 13 degreees. My fairway woods are Adams RPM titanium steel shafts with regular flex with regular graphite shafts (by far my favorite clubs). I use clones of callaway hybrids (20 degree and 26 degree) with regular graphite shafts as a 3/4 and 5 iron replacement. I am 5 feet 9 inches and have a wrist to floor measurement of 34 inches. My hand size is 7 and 5/8 inches. I hit 9 iron about 95-105 and 6 iron about 130 to 140. All of my clubs have the NG ST grips on them. What if any changes would you recommend to shaft flex, grip, or club make up in general? |
| goin4eagle |
Posted - 11/17/2006 : 10:35:47
As Club Builder I can not tell you enough how important it is to have your clubs fitted to you. After i make sure the clubs are the proper lenght and grip size is correct. I then take all of my customer on the range with a lie board and check all of the irons. |
| Swobe |
Posted - 10/19/2006 : 16:03:48
I currently have Ping green dot (2 degrees upright) and after hitting in the store off a board this seems to best fit my swing based on the tale of the tape. When I get new irons I plan on sticking with two degrees upright. I am 5'11. I shoul d add that my current irons are ten years old. Are you saying that new irons are more upright than old irons, i.e. a green dot of today is more upright than my ten year old green dots? Based on the hitting board the green dot seemed better than the black dot. Maybe it's not tha arrow but the indian??? |
| singaporeswinger |
Posted - 03/09/2006 : 00:08:04
Guys,
Sorry if this question was posed earlier somewhere, but intution would tell me that if anything, one who has been swinging with a more traditional swing and thus coming into the ball a bit more upright and "down" on the ball, would need to possibly adjust the lie of the club a lower or less upright, due to the generally longer extended arms from chest in the set up (vs. conventional swing set up). Am i missing something ? In general, does one have to adjust the lie of most irons for golfer learning the SA coming from, and having clubs fit for, a more conventional swing or if they fit for the CS are they usually ok for the SA swing ? |
| Scott_R |
Posted - 02/17/2006 : 22:52:34
rmooulton,
You can get a LOT better club custom fit to you for about 1/2 the money. I agree with Tim. |
| TGGS |
Posted - 02/17/2006 : 21:29:01
Too long, too upright, too light, unless your hand size is 8" ++ grip is too big, and too expensive for the quality.
But that is my opinion...
Tim
GGA
timg@swinglikemoe.com |
