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| RAZMAN |
Posted - 12/02/2004 : 14:16:26
Ok Doc, This ones for you. I have tried it and i like it . My only problem is that the putter i have ( 41'' white hot ) , well the angle is off and it seems i need to bend it more upright. I went on the site Puttmagic.com which was informative but didn't like the looks of some of those putters . Is there any other sites that sell them or more info . By the way the first time i did do the style was in front of a ASSISTANT PRO, . Well , lets say when the round was done and i was 3 under and he was 1 under he made 2 comments . 1, you drove the ball really well today and 2 when i first saw you putting like that i was saying what the hell is he doing until i saw you making them, He said the stroke was very smooth. I think it might be it for me . What does Tim think of this style? I like it alot and i'm going to give it ago this next season , so look for me down in Florida , you won't be alone this time . Maybe we could be on the same team  . lets hear from you buddy . Steve |
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| doc9 |
Posted - 08/05/2007 : 19:14:22
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Originally posted by Scottgas2
Ouch! Peltz's instructor was pretty distainful of the whole thing. He told me the putter was likely illegal. I do need to practice with the clips provided to improve sweet spot striking.
Does anybody know the rules about lie angle and how they would be applied to a side saddle putter?
OUCH! You paid for a Pelz school and got an instructor that 1) Doesn't know the rules of golf, especially when it comes to putting which I assume he's an expert at and 2) He doesn't even know what his bosses position is on the subject of sidesaddle putting ( I assume he works for Dave Pelz, the short game GURU).
Dave Pelz stated that the BEST putter he ever saw was a sidesaddler.
Chuck is right (again) about the 10 degree angle needed to keep the putter legal-side saddle or otherwise.
And whether you anchor your putter to your body or not has no bearing on the legality of the method. The USGA and the RSGA only spoke of the possibilies a few years ago but they then said there is no such plans to ban the method of anchoring putting styles.
You may notice of my bit of an edge regarding this issue. A few years ago while on holiday in Bermuda a supposed rules official basically told me the same thing as your Pelz instructor. Luckily I knew better and if you know me then you know I did not just let him go on thinking this and told him the REAL rules.
He then told me he was a rules official with and I forget now which it was ,the USGA OR RSGA, and that he should know the rules.
I agreed that he SHOULD KNOW THE RULES but in this case he was wrong. I then pulled out of my golf bag the written statement that came with my putter at the time (the finalizer) that spelled out the rules as they pertained to sidesaddle putters and of the stamp of approval of the legality not only of the method but of the putter I was using.
Of course he insisted that my paperwork was wrong and I insisted that it was right. Only I suggested it LOUDER THAN HE DID, so I won, well at least he no longer wished to discuss it on the putting green of the golf course. So I won by him fleeing the scene.
Anyway, the method is legal and as long as you keep to the rules of golf pertaining to ALL putters you are OK.
However if you were standing on your line or an extension of it or were straddling your ball or line then you were wrong. Other than that you were fine as long as you were off to the side. Dan |
| str8tshooter |
Posted - 08/05/2007 : 10:55:34
Im on the sidesaddle bandwagon but I do it a little differently. I stand just as I would conventionally. And I swing my left leg completely open. This gives me a much better look at the line and a much truer stroke than i had before. It looks and feels a little awkward at first but seems to work as i am rolling the ball very nicely these days |
| edmp |
Posted - 08/05/2007 : 06:24:04
There has to be a 10* bend,so as to not facilate a croquet type stroke.Dave Pelz himself is on record as saying that side saddle is a great way to putt.My putter (Jennings) comes with a letter from the PGA attesting to it's legality.I might add that since my technique doesn't have me grounding the putter,it will stay legal.Your instructor probably wasn't trained on it.Also,if he thought it illegal,he must have thought it was to good!
Chuck
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| Scottgas2 |
Posted - 08/04/2007 : 23:05:40
Ouch! Peltz's instructor was pretty distainful of the whole thing. He told me the putter was likely illegal. I do need to practice with the clips provided to improve sweet spot striking.
Does anybody know the rules about lie angle and how they would be applied to a side saddle putter? |
| Scottgas2 |
Posted - 07/25/2007 : 23:33:15
Acid test. I've been practicing for six months, and I'm going to a Pelz short game school on Sat. Currently, I look at the hole throughout the stroke after aligning the putter face and line marker standing behind it. I start my backswing by placing the putter somewhat behind the ball, so there is not much backswing, just enough to get the swing started forward. I'm lagging well, and making about one out of 5-6 from over 20 ft. |
| doc9 |
Posted - 05/02/2007 : 18:55:45
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Originally posted by Scottgas2
Chuck,
It is great that this two year old topic string is still going. A few more questions if I might.
What is the best way to get the putter length optimal? I used the measurements on the
Puttmagic site. Do you stand fairly upright, or crouched as the videos on the site show? I'm looking at the hole only on lag puts and find this quite helpful.
Get yourself a putter shaft and start experimenting. There are probably as many ways to stand sidesaddle as there are folks on this site. Sorry to say but just like anything else you do well, you'll have to try it out and get your own personal way.
That being said I suggest you buy a long shaft, they can be had for under $10 and if you catch a sale some for less than $5. Take any nice looking or feeling putter head YOU like and put a grip loosely on the shaft bottom before you put on the head, that way you can try a few different positions before you put the tape on it and make it secure.
For the over all length , Just pretend you are standing in front of a golf hole about 12 feet away or so and then see what you would do if you were charged with haveing to roll a ball there with your new putter.
How would you stand? Like a dart thrower, a horse shoe thrower? like a pistoleer? This is the fun part. Experiment different heads, and stance, and shaft lengths.
For the price of one of the new putters you can buy a bunch of different items to help you find your perfect stance and posture.
I've been side saddle now for about 4or 5 years I think. I still experiment every now and again, I just put together my 13th putter and am currently using it. So far every year my putts per round have continued to go down each year. Last years final tally was 29.67 putts per round. I'm hoping to improve on that this year though.
Have fun and happy holing. Dan |
| edmp |
Posted - 04/13/2007 : 06:03:00
Scottgas2,
Regarding putter length,I believe the top hand and arm is the key.I want my top forarm to be exactly parallel to the horizon when my thumb sits on top of the shaft and my knuckles face my target as I stand comfortably erect.Therefor putter length will vary according to your height etc.I believe that standing comfortably erect is easier on my back and facilitates less strain for extended ability to practice.Hope this helps!
Chuck |
| Scottgas2 |
Posted - 04/12/2007 : 23:24:36
Chuck,
It is great that this two year old topic string is still going. A few more questions if I might.
What is the best way to get the putter length optimal? I used the measurements on the
Puttmagic site. Do you stand fairly upright, or crouched as the videos on the site show? I'm looking at the hole only on lag puts and find this quite helpful. |
| Wichita Sam |
Posted - 04/11/2007 : 11:08:05
Hmmmm,
According to SideSaddle Theory, one of the advantages is that it takes the influence of eye dominance out of the equation. Facing the hole puts the target line into balance so that you see the putt like you see the rest of life
Good luck,
Wichita Sam |
| Larrywinston |
Posted - 04/11/2007 : 10:20:41
I have been experimenting with "sidesaddle" putting for several weeks. I play golf right handed.but my left eye is the dominate one. Should I be attempting to putt left handed?
Any opinions? |
| Wichita Sam |
Posted - 02/26/2007 : 21:55:30
O.K., I'll bite on the side saddle technique.
Is anyone out there doing it with a "belly length" putter and a little more crouch than I see on most of the websites? I've fooled around with different stances and it seems to be more comfortable.
Any suggestions for refining this as a putting posture?
Thanks,
Wichita Sam |
| edmp |
Posted - 02/26/2007 : 21:11:05
Tim,
Actually a little forward of my toe line maybe an inch or two-ish.On longer lag putts I put the ball back farther-toe line or slightly behind.I feel this encouragers a more powerful strike ability.Because I don't ground the club to my body,the putter hangs naturally in this forward position as a result of the seperation of my forearm from my chest.Hope that is clear.
Chuck |
| Teeman |
Posted - 02/26/2007 : 20:56:16
Chuck, Where is your ball position? Is it even with your toeline or behind it a little? Thanks Tim. |
| edmp |
Posted - 02/24/2007 : 21:16:58
Scottgas2,
My technique is very simple and natural.I stand facing the line and the ball with my feet together and pointing at the line.I let my swinging arm(left for lefties,Right for righties) hang naturaly to my side palm facing my thigh.This creates a perfect pendulum motion as you swing arm and hand.I rest the putter shaft in the v formed by my thumb and index finger with very light pressure.Very importantly I DO NOT GROUND the club to my body.I place the thumb of my top hand on top of the shaft palm facing my chest.This allows the top hand to hinge naturally as I stroke with my other hand and arm.The forearm of my top arm is parrallel to the ground (horizontal) and the putter hangs freely.Correct putter length is crucial here.Using a pure pendulum motion I let the putterhead chase the ball to target(Hole if straight-Line apex if a breaker).
Frankly,I believe that lag putting is one of the biggest advantages to sidesaddle as well as better mid-range putts( 8-10 footers).I attribute this to using binocular vision for better depth and judgement.Try this excellant drill and practice technique.Place six balls wagonwheel fashion around a hole starting at 3 feet.Hole them ,then move to 5 feet,then 7 feet,then 10 etc.
Stay at one length until you hole all six putts.This will help you with stroke and reads-soon 10 footers will seem easy and lag putts a cinch.
Goog luck,
Chuck |
| Scottgas2 |
Posted - 02/18/2007 : 13:52:03
Now that we have the putter construction issue ou of the way, what do you guys recommend
for a stroke technique. Lag putting is an adventure, and ten footers are too. The good news is that the roll of the ball off the sidewinders is perfect. |
