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feelgood59
Canada
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 Posted - 08/20/2007 : 18:37:36
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hey Todd,Time,or Scott
I was wondering what school would be good for me to go to next. I have already gone to a 3 day school last year. Would it be better to go to the 2 day alumini school or the 5 day build your game camp? thanx
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3 day school Orlando2007
5day Build your game camp 2008 |
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Scott_R
Administrator
USA
2081 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2007 : 22:03:22
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Dave,
Depends on you really. You simply cannot beat the Build Your Game Camp in terms of focused effort and the TIME needed to make necessary changes, not to mention the one on one time you get.
The Alumni school is more of a brush up, fix minor things, and go on.
If you are where you want to be with your swing and your game, then the Alumni school would work. If you still feel like there are things in your game that need to get better to score the way you want, then the Build Your Game Camp is the way to go.
Scott
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GGA Director of Customer Relations
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edmp
USA
1294 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2007 : 05:10:27
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Dave,
The BYGC is 5 days of golf bliss.I have been to two and liked the 2nd even better than the first.Like Scott said,if you want to get better choose the camp.
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rustyredcab
USA
438 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2007 : 13:15:42
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Chuck,
I started Graves Golf with a 5-day and then have done two 2-day Alumni schools. During the 5-day, I changed ny grip, set-up, backswing, downswing, release, and finish. Other than that, my NG-taught swing was perfect. I recall that others in the school were all new to GGA/real Moe's swing too.
Did you find that the 5-day was geared too much for people starting the real Moe swing or did it move fast enough the second time? One of the things that I like about the Alumni schools is that everyone is already sold on the concepts. And most eveyone is willing to take the adivse right away.
I have a topic on the forum asking for a groundswell of support for a longer alumni school. No one has replied.
DAVE -- You in for a 5-day scool in Orlando at the end of February? |
Build Your Game Camp 2005
2-Day Alumni school 2006 & 2007
5-day Alumni Camp 2008 (The MOEniacs) |
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feelgood59
Canada
34 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2007 : 14:40:24
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Im sold on the 5 day build your game camp, but im not really ready for it yet rustyredcab,maybe a couple more mail in video's and ill be ready. I was thinking maybe in april or june just before the golf season. I did that last year and it was perfect,thanx for the feedback guys,
Time-Tim |
3 day school Orlando2007
5day Build your game camp 2008 |
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edmp
USA
1294 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2007 : 15:01:43
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Russ,
Interesting comments/questions.Actually,both of my BYGC were split between newbies and veteran alumni.With the high instructor to student ratio I feel that the lessons were personalized enough and therefor tailored to your own situation.Also,my first experience was identical to yours,they changed everything.Unfortunately,my second camp was more of the same.My mind and spirit was willing but my abilities were ruefully inadequate.I.E.-I tried to make the changes,but struggled to git-r-done.
What I really like about the 5 day camp is as Scott so elequantly put it, is you have the necessary TIME to make the changes.Therefor,your idea of a longer alumni school is intrigueing.I am not sure that it shouldn't just be another 5 day BYGC that is limited to alumni or a different curriculum altogether. Not sure what that would be though.
Currently,I am trying to decide what to do myself.Take another camp,private lessons or what? Certainly,I am far from knowing all I need to know.Furthermore,some kind of regular tuneup seems to make sense.Not sure how often though. Kevin(Hacktheknife)Hughes has been campaigning for a short game school.This is my struggle.Do I want the whole load each time or would more specialized schools make better sense.In other words would I get more out of focusing on one part of the game-short-ball striking etc.Your thoughts?
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rustyredcab
USA
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Posted - 08/21/2007 : 17:36:50
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Chuck,
I pray that at my next school, my grip and setup will be right on or very very close. I'm hoping that a 5-day would give me TIME not only to make the changes, but would also create some habits with those changes. I feel like my full swing is still my #1 issue. I hit great shots. I just don't do it every time. If I could hit 40 great full-swing shots in a row -- well, I'd be scratch or better.
As for curriculm, I see it being much the same as a regular school curriculm -- perhaps more short game work (I could use a lot of work in bunkers with differing sands) and more about how to think. The big difference would be that as alumni, everything should be review, we are already converted believers, and most of us are willing to turn ourselves over to the GGA boys and listen to what they are telling us. I recall my first 5-day, it took about three days for all of us to stop saying "But that is what I'm doing! I am swinging to the right." At the Alumni camps, it took about ten minutes.
Let's get some guys together that want 5-days of tuning everything up and/or making changes to their games (I sure hope my grip is good). We could even all agree to send in tapes before the school so that simple things (like my setup and grip) could be addressed before we get there -- both by us working to fix it before school and by GGA staff knowing what our old tendencies are before we get there. And then camp for 5 days and we tune up for the season ahead.
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Build Your Game Camp 2005
2-Day Alumni school 2006 & 2007
5-day Alumni Camp 2008 (The MOEniacs) |
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Wells_M
USA
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Posted - 08/21/2007 : 19:10:21
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I was with Chuck for both Build Your Game Camps. I would love to have a five day camp focused on previous campers. I am in if it can happen. The curiculum should be different than a standard camp and the idea of sending in video material prior to camp should be required. A little head start.
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edmp
USA
1294 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2007 : 19:47:53
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Todd,Tim,Ren,
What are your thoughts on an Alumni BYGC?? Also,what curriculum would you imagine? Is there room in your schedule for this kind of school ?
Feedback Please,
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TGGS
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 08/21/2007 : 21:30:02
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We could do an alumni based camp - as long as enough interest. Have interest - will travel.
Instead of asking us the question - turn back to you... what do you invision in an alumni based camp????
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edmp
USA
1294 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2007 : 21:55:06
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Touche',
Well,since I am brilliant on the range and mediocre on the course I would like to see more on course instruction.Playing lessons so to speak.Also,on day one watch me hit balls and lay out the areas I need to work on most.That way I would have time to work specifically on my short comings.In other words,less general instruction more idividualized.What is enough interest 5,7 people-how many?
Wells,Russ,Hack-anyone else- what are your thoughts,suggestions for lesson plan etc.Damn,am I headed to another GGA school?? How many alumni interested??Pipe in guys! Also lets talk schedule.When and where etc.?
Chuck |
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TGGS
Administrator
USA
1918 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2007 : 22:11:23
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Would need between 6 and 8 for camp... would have 2 to 1 ratio.. On course type instruction individually based is difficult... not like you can take one person on a course at a time in a school/camp setting - but definitely can work on different on course type instruction - like wedge charting (advanced) - etc...
Tim
GGA
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Scott_R
Administrator
USA
2081 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2007 : 22:12:04
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Chuck et. al,
Here's what I'm seeing in an Alumni Build Your Game Camp:
You, the "camper" would come to the camp with your own stats from your own game in all areas of the 7 Principles. So you'd have to do your own homework on your own game BEFORE you come to the Camp. No more showing up and us telling you what you need to work on, you show up KNOWING where your game is weak and then we help you focus on those areas of your game.
- Day 1 - STATS - Where do you stand? Where are you strong, where are you weak, where do you want to be, etc.? We continue Day 1 by developing with you a plan for your areas of focus for the rest of the camp (3-4 days). We also get some early video of the full swing, which Todd can review with you on Day 2. After lunch, you go play 9 holes and the GGA staff observes and takes notes on your on course persona, and course management skills. NO coaching, just observation.
- Day 2 - Swing review from Day 1. Where is it weak, List of 3-4 things to accomplish in swing during Camp. Full swing video work. After lunch, we start to work your self made "Plan". If the putting is weak, a member of the staff spends time with you on the green, if it's chipping, we chip, etc. We use a LOT of pressure games to hone the weak areas, and make your stengths become fully confident.
- Day 3 - Repeat Day 2. You won't get to move on that easy!
 - Day 4 - More of the same, and fit the clubs, make sure they fit.
- Day 5 - On course for 18, full stats without coaching or observation. Playing for "Most Improved" of the Camp, stats wise.
Anyway, those are my ideas. I'm open to suggestions. I can tell you that when you get to the point where you've got the presentations of the Camp memorized as well as we do, it's time to take off the training wheels and we can move from teaching to coaching you.
Scott
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doc9
USA
1364 Posts |
Posted - 08/22/2007 : 00:28:21
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I love the idea of bringing our stats and you look at them to help us determine which is the ones MOST Important to work on. I do this now but I'm not sure if I attack the right things or not, definately GGA input would be huge.
Also, as far as fitting is concerned I would like to be put on one of those analyzer thingies that tells you your ball spin, speed and stuff like that in order for us to have the perfect equipment for our games matched to us. I know the clubs I have I like but I don't know if these are the best for the way I swing or not. This would include a ball fitting as well , to help it match our swings and the equipment the machine says is best for us.
I've been picking clubs by the way I like them at a school, but just me liking them does not give me the comfort of KNOWING they are the best for me. Obviously Tim and his guys do a great job of fitting, and I don't know if the analyzer could do better but I would like to know.
I keep hearing about how folks should use more lofted drivers but anytime I try one I just balloon it up, and I already hit my 9 degree to high in my opinion. I think these are some of the things that can be answered by the analyzer. Just the sureness of knowing would help my confidence in my equipment.
I like the other suggestions Scott and the rest of you have stated so far. I will continue to read and pipe in if I can think of anything else.
Maybe a way of time payments for the schools would help folks be able to come more. This would probably have to wait till you guys are a bit bigger because I know you all need to be paid promptly like the rest of us who work for a living.
How about a Graves credit card, ha ha. And if we fail to pay you make our handicaps go up. ha ha.
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Overlaptom
USA
243 Posts |
Posted - 08/22/2007 : 10:34:48
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Scott and Guys,
I would be very interested in this type of camp and review my stats after every round.
Here are the stats I keep:
fairways hit
GIR
Putts per round
up and down ratio
Am I missing anything? Also, I do not keep a spreadsheet with a running total. Is that necessary?
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hick
USA
747 Posts |
Posted - 08/22/2007 : 10:48:42
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| overlaptom: you might consider Sand Saves as a category...also any Penalty shots incurred.Hick |
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